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He'd certainly be the first name in a trencherman's eleven
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An England XI That Never Played Tests
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Derek Lodge's XI in "Figure on the Green" was:
John Tunnicliffe, John Langridge, Percy Perrin, George Cox jr, Harry Foster, Jack Newman, Charles Kortright, David Hunter, Don Shepherd, George Dennett, Tom Wass
He also gives Christopher Martin-Jenkins's XI from "Wisden Book of County Cricket":
John Langridge, Alan Jones, Percy Perrin, Ken Suttle, Harry Foster, Digby Jephson, Peter Sainsbury, John Freeman, Charles Kortright, Billy Bestwick, Tom Wass
John Tunnicliffe, John Langridge, Percy Perrin, George Cox jr, Harry Foster, Jack Newman, Charles Kortright, David Hunter, Don Shepherd, George Dennett, Tom Wass
He also gives Christopher Martin-Jenkins's XI from "Wisden Book of County Cricket":
John Langridge, Alan Jones, Percy Perrin, Ken Suttle, Harry Foster, Digby Jephson, Peter Sainsbury, John Freeman, Charles Kortright, Billy Bestwick, Tom Wass
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I'm enjoying reading the suggested alternative inclusions and the sides selected by scribes and commentators. I particularly thank tony p for his detailed lists.
In hindsight, I was probably influenced by Alan Jones's sheer weight of runs when selecting him as an opener. There were others, Frank Watson in particular, with superior batting averages and Watson was also a more than useful bowler.
There was a certain eccentricity about Peter Roebuck and others, such as Darren Bicknell and Neil Taylor, scored more runs and centuries with a similar average. They, and others, could easily have slotted in ahead of Roebuck.
I didn't consider players who were still playing and consequently overlooked fine performers in James Hildreth and Daryl Mitchell. However, at 35 and 36 they are unlikely to be selected for Test duties as they are towards the twilight of their careers. Hildreth in particular would be a logical replacement for Roebuck and others mentioned as alternatives.
When it came to the all-rounder berth, Tom Shepherd has excellent credentials. His batting average is superior to Trevor Jesty's but Jesty wins out on bowling. Another candidate is Darren Stevens who, when I last checked, was still playing in his 40s. He 'trumps' Jesty on both counts and would be a logical inclusion.
When it comes to wicketkeepers, David Hunter, John Freeman, Ray Booth and Steve Marsh are mentioned. I already noted Harry Martyn and, once again, would stay with Geoff Humpage - purely because of his batting.
A number of specialist bowlers have been put forward but, without naming them, none can approach the fine averages of those originally named - and, as stated earlier, my selection leans heavily on stats.
I'll wait a further few days and present my revised XI after considering the cases of any more contenders put forward.
Thanks again for the contributions.
In hindsight, I was probably influenced by Alan Jones's sheer weight of runs when selecting him as an opener. There were others, Frank Watson in particular, with superior batting averages and Watson was also a more than useful bowler.
There was a certain eccentricity about Peter Roebuck and others, such as Darren Bicknell and Neil Taylor, scored more runs and centuries with a similar average. They, and others, could easily have slotted in ahead of Roebuck.
I didn't consider players who were still playing and consequently overlooked fine performers in James Hildreth and Daryl Mitchell. However, at 35 and 36 they are unlikely to be selected for Test duties as they are towards the twilight of their careers. Hildreth in particular would be a logical replacement for Roebuck and others mentioned as alternatives.
When it came to the all-rounder berth, Tom Shepherd has excellent credentials. His batting average is superior to Trevor Jesty's but Jesty wins out on bowling. Another candidate is Darren Stevens who, when I last checked, was still playing in his 40s. He 'trumps' Jesty on both counts and would be a logical inclusion.
When it comes to wicketkeepers, David Hunter, John Freeman, Ray Booth and Steve Marsh are mentioned. I already noted Harry Martyn and, once again, would stay with Geoff Humpage - purely because of his batting.
A number of specialist bowlers have been put forward but, without naming them, none can approach the fine averages of those originally named - and, as stated earlier, my selection leans heavily on stats.
I'll wait a further few days and present my revised XI after considering the cases of any more contenders put forward.
Thanks again for the contributions.
it was fun to do.
obviously, most people like myself, have plenty of time on their hands at present.
having around 15 bookshelves full of cricketbooks has finally come in useful for something.
i'm currently looking at n.z. and south africa. teams, a little harder with domestic cricketers in those countries.
obviously, most people like myself, have plenty of time on their hands at present.
having around 15 bookshelves full of cricketbooks has finally come in useful for something.
i'm currently looking at n.z. and south africa. teams, a little harder with domestic cricketers in those countries.
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It is fun indeed! Your cricket library sounds great - I only have one shelf on a bookcase.
I've just posted my South Africa XI and look forward to your comments.
Cheers and thanks again for your contributions.
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There have certainly been plenty of suggestions put forward and I'm more than happy to change my original selections.
Here is my revised and (hopefully) improved England XI that never played Tests.
An England XI
Frank Watson 23,596 runs @ 37.0 - 50 centuries & 407 wickets @ 32.14
John Langridge 34,380 @ 37.4 - 76 centuries
James Hildreth 17,158 @ 42.57 - 46 centuries
Mal Loye 15,329 @ 39.9 - 42 centuries
Ali Brown 16,898 @ 42.7 - 47 centuries
Tom Shepherd 18,715 @ 39.8 - 42 centuries & 445 wickets @ 30.7
Geoff Humpage w/k18,108 @ 36.3 - 29 centuries & 743 dismissals
Tony Nicholson 879 w @ 19.8
George Dennett 2,154 w @ 19.8
Don Shepherd 2,218 w @ 21.3
Tom Wass 1,666 w @ 20.4
12th man Darren Stevens 15,633 runs @ 35.1 - 34 centuries & 517 wickets @ 25.1
For the sake of this exercise, I'm assuming that Hildreth and Stevens, although not officially retired, are unlikely to gain Test selection as they are in the twilight of their careers.
Those who have been "dropped" from my original side could be considered unlucky as could a number of players suggested by CW members. Darren Bicknell (19,931 @ 38.6 - 46 centuries), Daryl Mitchell (13.066 @ 39.3 - 37 centuries) and Neil Taylor (19,031 @ 39.6 - 45 centuries) certainly gave me plenty to think about.
Here is my revised and (hopefully) improved England XI that never played Tests.
An England XI
Frank Watson 23,596 runs @ 37.0 - 50 centuries & 407 wickets @ 32.14
John Langridge 34,380 @ 37.4 - 76 centuries
James Hildreth 17,158 @ 42.57 - 46 centuries
Mal Loye 15,329 @ 39.9 - 42 centuries
Ali Brown 16,898 @ 42.7 - 47 centuries
Tom Shepherd 18,715 @ 39.8 - 42 centuries & 445 wickets @ 30.7
Geoff Humpage w/k18,108 @ 36.3 - 29 centuries & 743 dismissals
Tony Nicholson 879 w @ 19.8
George Dennett 2,154 w @ 19.8
Don Shepherd 2,218 w @ 21.3
Tom Wass 1,666 w @ 20.4
12th man Darren Stevens 15,633 runs @ 35.1 - 34 centuries & 517 wickets @ 25.1
For the sake of this exercise, I'm assuming that Hildreth and Stevens, although not officially retired, are unlikely to gain Test selection as they are in the twilight of their careers.
Those who have been "dropped" from my original side could be considered unlucky as could a number of players suggested by CW members. Darren Bicknell (19,931 @ 38.6 - 46 centuries), Daryl Mitchell (13.066 @ 39.3 - 37 centuries) and Neil Taylor (19,031 @ 39.6 - 45 centuries) certainly gave me plenty to think about.
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GoodAreasShane
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Stevens is an absolute prank cricketer. The living embodiment of everything wrong with county cricket
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Welcome back Trevor Jesty!
the big bambino
International Captain
LAL get some pace and put Kortright in that team.
capt_Luffy
International Debutant
Okay, my picks would be:
1. Alan Jones
2. John Langridge
3. Mal Loye
4. James Hildreth
5. Alfred Mynn
6. Geoff Humpage (wk)
7. Darren Stevens
8. Glen Chappell
9. Charles Kortright
10. Tom Wass
11. Don Shepherd
Also, despite being the Third highest wicket taker in all of first class cricket; Charlie Parker played only once for England.... I know it makes ineligible; but damn; he could had been a fine addition.
1. Alan Jones
2. John Langridge
3. Mal Loye
4. James Hildreth
5. Alfred Mynn
6. Geoff Humpage (wk)
7. Darren Stevens
8. Glen Chappell
9. Charles Kortright
10. Tom Wass
11. Don Shepherd
Also, despite being the Third highest wicket taker in all of first class cricket; Charlie Parker played only once for England.... I know it makes ineligible; but damn; he could had been a fine addition.
ImpatientLime
International Regular
just here to name drop david sales.
Got injured in his only ODI.
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
@Fuller Pilch would like to be nominated in NZ XI I think.
Fuller Pilch
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BBWG (best before)
Ed Joyce - played a bit for England limited over teams and was a gun batter in county cricket but no test cap until one near retirement for his native Ireland. If he'd been around a few years earlier he'd have surely got a go but the peak of his career coincided with England having a reasonably good lineup for a once.
A no to Daz Stevens. His game excelled in county Division Two as he got older, but in doing so diverged significantly from what he'd have needed to be considered an international player.
A no to Daz Stevens. His game excelled in county Division Two as he got older, but in doing so diverged significantly from what he'd have needed to be considered an international player.
wpdavid
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He became ineligible again a couple of months after the thread was created.
Alan Jones earns England Test cap No. 696 for 1970 match against Rest of the World
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The Sean
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Yeah, I remember thinking that was a strange decision - a happy feelgood story and all, but I don't think it changes his eligibility for this team. He has a ceremonial England cap, but he has still never officially played Test cricket for England.He became ineligible again a couple of months after the thread was created.
Alan Jones earns England Test cap No. 696 for 1970 match against Rest of the World
ECB makes things right after ICC downgraded series, which replaced scheduled one against South Africa