4 & 5

[_00_deathscar]

Hasn’t NZ been covid free for months or something? If we should follow anyone’s model its them. Anyway its not like Smith himself has control over what tests Australia do and do not play, blaming him for not playing throughout that period is just silly. Its not like he’s avoiding tours or skipping tests on purpose.

Not been keeping up with the news then I see...

 

[sunilz]

Hasn’t NZ been covid free for months or something? If we should follow anyone’s model its them. Anyway its not like Smith himself has control over what tests Australia do and do not play, blaming him for not playing throughout that period is just silly. Its not like he’s avoiding tours or skipping tests on purpose.

Nobody is blaming Smith. We all have agreed that he is strong contender for no.2 greatest batsman and 3 to 4 more years of good batting will confirm him as no.2 greatest batsman. But 2 Australian posters (stephen and Burgey ) are convinced that he is already no.2 bat and needs to to do nothing and his longevity is sufficient.

 

[Daemon]

Stop giving Covid as excuse for playing less cricket. Your Cricket Board willingly cancelled tour to SA and Bangladesh iirc. You can't keep on cancelling every bilateral tour and then say we played less cricket due to Covid.

Aus managed Covid better because they didn't allow even their own overseas citizens to enter. This is absolutely inhumane. Good luck convincing rest of the World that Australian model was the best to manage Covid.

Steve Smith does not = CA, stop posting like an absolute moron

 

[Daemon]

That's only because of the suspension and COVID. You can't discredit his longevity as a batsmen because of a Global pandemic and a very harsh ban.

I will say though, that it's just.. too bad? It's not Graeme Pollock/Barry Richards/Mike Proctors fault they didn't play more either.

Besides a year of that was a ban of his own doing.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Covid’s not just for us, but we’ve had it a **** load better than the more death-and-disease ravaged cricket playing nations, thankfully.

sunilz now seems to be suggesting Steve Smith needs to organise his own test matches to play, lest he be regarded a lesser batsman than Root and Kohli, two blokes he’s regularly lapped every time they’ve squared off.

A very peculiar suggestion from, frankly, a ****ing weird unit.

Then...Mike Procter is the greatest cricketer in last 50 years.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I will say though, that it's just.. too bad? It's not Graeme Pollock/Barry Richards/Mike Proctors fault they didn't play more either.

Besides a year of that was a ban of his own doing.

Yes.

 

[Burgey]

Then...Mike Procter is the greatest cricketer in last 50 years.

The Cevnoing is strong in this one

 

[stephen]

I will say though, that it's just.. too bad? It's not Graeme Pollock/Barry Richards/Mike Proctors fault they didn't play more either.

Besides a year of that was a ban of his own doing.

According to precedent, he deserved no more than a one test ban. Not his fault CA had been overtaken by self righteous morons.

 

[anil1405]

Have we talked about Smith's inability to help his side secure a spot in WTC final yet?

The recent series against India was a crunch series for both teams to establish their presence in the final.

Smith didn't turn up the way one hopes from a potential no 4 or 5 in an ATG 11 to do when it matters more. That too against a waning Indian bowling attack that ended up being their third priority attack.

We talk about knocks that Gilchrist and Ponting played in semi finals and finals of WCs which elevated their status as players. Some Aussie posters also believe Ponting should be in the ATG ODI side for this reason.

I am a huge fan of Smith but I would wait for him to retire and see how he goes for remainder of his career before slotting him into ATG side.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Yea Ashwin got in his head and he **** the bed.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Covid didn't stop Kohli, Root from playing 10-11 test between Feb-Sept.

Is Covid only for Australians or Steve Smith ?

The **** are you on about now? So Smith isn't as good because he hasn't played as many games as the other guys? Do you even hear yourself?

 

[sunilz]

The **** are you on about now? So Smith isn't as good because he hasn't played as many games as the other guys? Do you even hear yourself?

Are you stupid ? You deliberately pick up a post from middle and start writing nonsense.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Are you stupid ? You deliberately pick up a post from middle and start writing nonsense.

lol wut mate I read everything you said it was completely idiotic. Don't be calling me stupid when you're blaming a player for Covid and his board stopping him from playing tests.

 

[sunilz]

No. Of Test in Asia

Steve Smith 13

No. Of Test in SENA countries

Ashwin 21
Jadeja 18

One is "better" than Tendulkar and others are "home bullies" according to certain cricket experts on this forum

 

[sunilz]

lol wut mate I read everything you said it was completely idiotic. Don't be calling me stupid when you're blaming a player for Covid and his board stopping him from playing tests.

So , you agree that Steve Smith hasn't played much overseas for whatever reason and his longevity is low. Thanks for accepting that Steve Smith isn't no.2 Test and ending this debate.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Besides a year of that was a ban of his own doing.

I know you're probably sayign this tongue-in-cheek but nah. If he was from any other country it would have been a 1 game ban at most, or likely not even any ban at all given he wasn't directly involved. His board's fault.

Have we talked about Smith's inability to help his side secure a spot in WTC final yet?

The recent series against India was a crunch series for both teams to establish their presence in the final.

Smith didn't turn up the way one hopes from a potential no 4 or 5 in an ATG 11 to do when it matters more. That too against a waning Indian bowling attack that ended up being their third priority attack.

Not going to claim he had a great series, but he averaged 45 which is pretty decent for most players. And that's including completely failing in the game that Aus won. When the series was up for grabs in the last 2 Tests he was about as good as ever. Not Smith's fault they lost those games.

If we blame for Sachin for not winning World Cups though it's a fair comparison

So , you agree that Steve Smith hasn't played much overseas for whatever reason and his longevity is low. Thanks for accepting that Steve Smith isn't no.2 Test and ending this debate.

Why are you taking this so personally? You've lost your bearings on logic and common sense. If someone saying Smith is better than Sachin for whatever reason drives you this bonkers that's a real issue

 

[Coronis]

No. Of Test in Asia

Steve Smith 13

No. Of Test in SENA countries

Ashwin 21
Jadeja 18

One is "better" than Tendulkar and others are "home bullies" according to certain cricket experts on this forum

Avg. of Steve Smith in Asia 48.00

Bowling Averages in SENA

Ashwin 38.38
Jadeja 36.60

May have something to do with the different perceptions.

 

[sunilz]

Avg. of Steve Smith in Asia 48.00

Bowling Averages in SENA

Ashwin 38.38
Jadeja 36.60

May have something to do with the different perceptions.

So , 48 Test average in 13 tests is enough to cement his spot at no.2 all time claim. ( You are not claiming that but 2 to 3 posters are )

 

[Coronis]

So , 48 Test average in 13 tests is enough to cement his spot at no.2 all time claim. ( You are not claiming that but 2 to 3 posters are )

Its not a ridiculous claim based on the rest of his career.

Comparing his record in Asia to Ashwin and Jadeja’s in SENA countries makes no sense for your argument as neither is in the conversation as the greatest spinner of all time and unlike Smith’s quite good record in Asia their records in SENA countries are awful.

 

[sunilz]

Its not a ridiculous claim based on the rest of his career.

Comparing his record in Asia to Ashwin and Jadeja’s in SENA countries makes no sense for your argument as neither is in the conversation as the greatest spinner of all time and unlike Smith’s quite good record in Asia their records in SENA countries are awful.

Smith record in SL avg . 40, UAE avg. 40, BAN avg. 30 . His record is excellent in only 1 country in Asia ( IND=60) . In rest of Asian countries it is good not extraordinary and befitting a no. 2 all time Test bat.