steds
Hall of Fame Member
First bowling coach I thought of.
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***Official** West Indies in England***
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Haha. Indeed, I'd not mind Kev having a chance to examine my action (and Naughty that if you REALLY must but I'd say it's getting a bit tired now, TBH) if the chance arose.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
.No chance am I naughting that. Way, way too obvious. I'll get you when you least expect it Rich.
steds
Hall of Fame Member
Was going to insert rape joke in here, but cbf.
roseboy64
Cricket Web Content Updater
You'd expect that being a former bowler and being a bowling coach.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
You seem surprised...
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
We're only two injuries away from that happening!
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
That's a very fair point IMO. Vaughan in a lose-lose situation it seems.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
And this is even more exaggerated on pitches which are bouncy, obviously. And even more effective on pitches which had inconsistent bounce.
Well.. I disagree, really. His actual leg break is fairly ordinary - it's Afridi-esque really. His variation is spin, bounce and ability to execute plans perfectly are what make him what he is - not his leg break which isn't really test standard in itself, IMO.Richard said:And he can bowl the occasional pretty decent Leg-Break too...
MiddleOrdaBiffa
Cricket Spectator
So Haydens terribly overrated as you say....even though he's been unlucky enough to get lots of balls that swing an absolute mile at 90 miles an hour, which no-one in the world would have survived?
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
As for Harmison... well I haven't said much on the issue, as I personally think way too much has been made of it by basically everyone in England. But enough is enough I feel.
The Sky commentators, who I generally hold in high regard, and ridiculous about it. Comments like "It's left-over baggage from Australia, I'm sure of it" along with the continual over-analysis of how he is doing, the over-importance placed on him doing well and, the be-all-and-end-all comment which has basically prompted this post by Nasser Hussain:
"I know he played a few games of County Cricket at the start of the season, but maybe a full season of County Cricket could help. Would that be the best thing for him though?"
Well, to be honest, whether it is the best thing for Harmison isn't relevant. It's quite obvious that it's the best thing for "Team England" as Nasser likes to put it - that Harmison is not playing. The obsession and fixation with making Harmison a good bowler is getting beyond ridiculous. He had a golden patch of form where he was a very good bowler that lasted a year or so - that time has passed. He was a poor bowler before them, and he seems to be an even worse bowler now. People seem to treat it as if the Ashes 2006-07 to now period is the exception to the norm and needs to be fixed - well, it's not, really. The real exception was when Harmison was bowling well - England got a lot of out that... in fact it helped them win the Ashes in 2005 (whether or not he ultimately had good figures in the matches England won or not - he bowled well generally and continued the pressure that existed with the rest of the attack as they worked as a whole..). However, lots of players have small golden periods in their career where everything clicks and things go well - esepcially bowlers whose main problems exist with consistency and accuracy.
So I'm sorry Nasser Hussain, and all the other commentators, and some of the forumers here, and seemingly the English management - but what is best for Steve Harmison is not important. It's time to forget about him really - for now anyway. Drop him from the team, give someone else a go and stop fixating on him. If he does well consistently in County Cricket and a spot opens up - sure, give him another go. But the fixation, the theories, the genius ideas and the near obsession with "getting Harmy right again" has to stop. He's not good enough anymore and hasn't been for quite a while now - in fact, he's been laughably bad - give him the flick and move on.
The Sky commentators, who I generally hold in high regard, and ridiculous about it. Comments like "It's left-over baggage from Australia, I'm sure of it" along with the continual over-analysis of how he is doing, the over-importance placed on him doing well and, the be-all-and-end-all comment which has basically prompted this post by Nasser Hussain:
"I know he played a few games of County Cricket at the start of the season, but maybe a full season of County Cricket could help. Would that be the best thing for him though?"
Well, to be honest, whether it is the best thing for Harmison isn't relevant. It's quite obvious that it's the best thing for "Team England" as Nasser likes to put it - that Harmison is not playing. The obsession and fixation with making Harmison a good bowler is getting beyond ridiculous. He had a golden patch of form where he was a very good bowler that lasted a year or so - that time has passed. He was a poor bowler before them, and he seems to be an even worse bowler now. People seem to treat it as if the Ashes 2006-07 to now period is the exception to the norm and needs to be fixed - well, it's not, really. The real exception was when Harmison was bowling well - England got a lot of out that... in fact it helped them win the Ashes in 2005 (whether or not he ultimately had good figures in the matches England won or not - he bowled well generally and continued the pressure that existed with the rest of the attack as they worked as a whole..). However, lots of players have small golden periods in their career where everything clicks and things go well - esepcially bowlers whose main problems exist with consistency and accuracy.
So I'm sorry Nasser Hussain, and all the other commentators, and some of the forumers here, and seemingly the English management - but what is best for Steve Harmison is not important. It's time to forget about him really - for now anyway. Drop him from the team, give someone else a go and stop fixating on him. If he does well consistently in County Cricket and a spot opens up - sure, give him another go. But the fixation, the theories, the genius ideas and the near obsession with "getting Harmy right again" has to stop. He's not good enough anymore and hasn't been for quite a while now - in fact, he's been laughably bad - give him the flick and move on.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Haha, oh no.
pasag
RTDAS
Dire cricket all round tbh. Rubbish day from both sides with one spell from Monty saving it from being the worst day of the series, I reckon. And Strauss, ffs, has become a walking wicket. Needs to be dropped asap for everyones sake. And Harmison, what a joke. How the hell does he keep on getting selected? Gtfo! This is really sad. If this bowling lineup doesn't improve by the time India get there, there may be a massive shock or two in store.
Spitfires_Fan
State Vice-Captain
Agree with everything Prince EWS has to say on the subject. He has to go, but you just know that he won't...
stumpski
International Captain
And yet, if you hadn't seen any of it, and just looked at the stats - 363 runs, 14 wickets, on the face of it it looks like superb entertainment.
It was entertaining, but not in a good way.
pasag
RTDAS
Haha, I actually haven't seen any of itAnd yet, if you hadn't seen any of it, and just looked at the stats - 363 runs, 14 wickets, on the face of it it looks like superb entertainment.
It was entertaining, but not in a good way.
