capt_Luffy
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What happened to Hartley?
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2nd Test (Edgbaston) - July 2nd
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Johan
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Forget about him.
nah 2021 had Anderson and other bowling well and a proper contest between bat and ball. Both teams were far better
LangleyburyCCPlayer
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No way we pick that team (Carse might not be fit for starters), but it would be hilarious, Woakes might genuinely be #11
Johan
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garbage, literally the worst series to take place in England since the first world war and now we're claiming it was good. Also, current England would crush that side, lol. This one random match from 2000s was substantially better viewing than anything in the 2021 series
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Johan
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would be fun but we'd persist with Bashir.
LangleyburyCCPlayer
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Dawson is averaging over 40 in the Championship this season, and Ahmed has either not bowled at all, or bowled less than everyone else in most games this season
I just didn't know who you were talking about because Dawson has bowled in every match this year and played a Test in England.
As I said he has struggled more this year on some very flat pitches. He averaged low 20s the previous two seasons.
Doesn't mean I think he would be taking loads of wickets in this series, doubt any spinner would be.
nomsense, the Lords, Oval and even the Wdgbaston tests were better than anything we’ve seen so far. This is the worst English bowling side since the early 1990s and the batting in this match was pitiful. India was better a few years ago too. This is the worst English side I’ve seen since the 90s. Stokes is a brilliant captain but can’t justify his place as a player. Crawley is the worst opener to ever play for England. Root is done. There are three to four people that are test class.
LangleyburyCCPlayer
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Suspect it’ll be this:
Crawley (should be under pressure by now, but a mixture of few viable alternatives and strong backing from the management mean he will stay, probably until the Ashes)
Duckett
Pope (still not convinced by him, he’s done that thing where he hits a ton followed by **** all for the next three innings, but as it stands, he’s only had one bad Test so has some credit in the bank still I suppose, not that the management need any reason to back their vice captain)
Root
Brook
Stokes (his bowling displays in the first Test and against Zimbabwe are doing a lot of heavy lifting because his batting is falling off a cliff)
Smith
Atkinson
Archer
Tongue
Bashir
Wouldn’t shock me to see Overton in and all three out and out seamers replaced
and there’s Bashir wtf
bring back Botham. He’s better in his 70s than most of these scrubs
LangleyburyCCPlayer
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I like Ahmed, but as Bashir is finding out, it’s tough learning your trade as a spinner in England! He’s in Div 2 at the moment so probably not at the forefront of the selectors minds, but I wonder if he felt he needed to step up with the bat to even get a look-in for England outside of spinning Asian conditions
Johan
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Just a garbage post here? The bowling was better in 2021, Yes, much better but the batting was absolutely abhorent. Duckett is miles better than Sibley, Pope is miles better than Burns, Brook is miles better than Bairstow, Stokes is miles better than Lawrence and Jamie is miles better than Buttler. Leagues, Leagues apart, 2021 England would get humiliated and crushed. Root averaged 55 last year and made 6 hundreds, literally the number one ranked test batsman in the world, one bad game and got out to a freak delivery and he's "finished"? lol. We had Hameed, Malan and Overton playing in 2021, like wtf.
And No, Lord's 2021 and Headingley 2021 are the worst Cricket games played in history of English Cricket, absolutely shambolic stuff, Nasser choosing to bowl at Gabba and then the day 1 that followed is above anything in that series. Listening to a Nickelback album ten times a day is much better than watching that series even once
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Johan
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Woakes definitely in over Tongue imo, he averages 12 at Lord's and is the best bowler by a mile on green wickets if it's any lively, if Archer and Atkinson are coming in then Yeah they walk in, maybe rest Woakes at OT considering how flat it can be?
LangleyburyCCPlayer
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It’s easy to **** on the England bowlers, but they’ve been playing in flat conditions for a while now both at home and away (especially in New Zealand and Pakistan), I think this is the first really poor showing from them. The one thing I would say is that Woakes is creaking and I’m not sure about the durability of the rest, Archer won’t help in that regard, but hopefully he can come in for some short, sharp spells, take some wickets and help knock over the Indian batting lineup quicker than they would have done without him
LangleyburyCCPlayer
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I guess we’ll wait and see what the wicket will be like at Lord’s, but I wouldn’t be opposed to that, a fit Archer and Atkinson are massive to this team
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Crawley is irredeemably awful. He's the worst batsman to get such a long rope and remain unquestionably first choice. He has the record of a dire NZ opener from the 99s so I'm convinced if you gave Blair Hartland 50 tests without having to worry about his spot he'd have similar numbers too. This policy of picking guys on vibes regardless of FC stats only works in the short term before they revert to mean.