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1st Test (Leeds) - 20th June

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Xix2565

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Arachnödouche2.0 said:
What overs to develop, and at this level? You're either born with game sense or you're not. There's a difference between a plan gone awry and no plan at all. It's plainly evident Prasidh doesn't know what he's after running up to bowl unless it's been forcefed to him on account of his prior failings, like the short outside off "ploy" he resorted to today. Reminds me of noone so much as Munaf Patel but without even his smidgeon of control.
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centurymaker said:
I agree with playing 4 genuine pacers but Prasidh is not it. He's 29 years old and has shown nothing except some bounce. At least Arshdeep has international exposure and may fare better under a T20 like onslaught from bazballers. Can't do any worse than Prasidh. Plus he's younger, so may develop.

Unfortunately I doubt Gambhir has the balls to play a four man pace attack, if anything, they'll bring back NKR for Thakur + 3 pacers + Jadeja. Same old story like Australia.
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Ishant took a long time to get good, and it's not like he had the greatest sense of the game when he started out. These new bunch of bowlers just haven't gotten the amount of overs the previous bunch did when they were raw and inexperienced. They're going to be bad on occasion, especially compared to Bumrah. Either back them or stop supporting the side, because there's not much options that's going to bring India above England atm.

Prasidh is one of the 3 best Indian red ball pacers atm outside of Bumrah and has all the right attributes to do well, but because of injuries and lack of A games/actual Tests he hasn't quite figured out his Test game, and even then the short ball stuff is part of his overall game across formats. Not everyone is going to hit the ground running and you have to accept the pains or you might as well give up on Tests for now. Arshdeep has far less experience that even limited overs stuff won't make up for, and he's averaging 40 with the red ball. You're just asking for more Shardul Thakur situations with him when he needs more FC games first.
 
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Akashdeep showed much more in the few chances he's got so far than Prasidh ever has, could've picked up a bag of wickets in Australia with some luck. Really don't get how Prasidh keeps getting picked ahead of him. I get India really want someone of the Ishant mold who can extract bounce from the deck, because it's something that's been sorely missing from the attack for years, but you can't be this focussed on bowler archetype over bowler quality.
 
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Xix2565

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Shri said:
ishant bowled 148-152kmph when he debuted and could move it in off the seam

prasidh has a low ceiling compared to him
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And was about as bad as Siraj still.

Prasidh might have a lower ceiling, but as it stands which Indian pacer is definitively better than him that isn't Bumrah? Can you guys at least admit that he's worth the spot because he's good enough as it stands?
 
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Xix2565

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OverratedSanity said:
Akashdeep showed much more in the few chances he's got so far than Prasidh ever has, could've picked up a bag of wickets in Australia with some luck. Really don't get how Prasidh keeps getting picked ahead of him. I get India really want someone of the Ishant mold who can extract bounce from the deck, because it's something that's been sorely missing from the attack for years, but you can't be this focussed on bowler archetype over bowler quality.
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They probably see too much of the Shami mold without the extra pace and bouncer ability, and that he can't hold a bat like Shardul.
 
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OverratedSanity said:
Akashdeep showed much more in the few chances he's got so far than Prasidh ever has, could've picked up a bag of wickets in Australia with some luck. Really don't get how Prasidh keeps getting picked ahead of him. I get India really want someone of the Ishant mold who can extract bounce from the deck, because it's something that's been sorely missing from the attack for years, but you can't be this focussed on bowler archetype over bowler quality.
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Exactly this.

I have no issues with Prasidh being in the squad because like Xix says he’s part of the best we’ve got.

But there’s no excuse for him to be starting ahead of Akash.
 
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Arachnödouche2.0

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Xix2565 said:
And was about as bad as Siraj still.

Can you guys at least admit that he's worth the spot because he's good enough as it stands?
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No and no. Anyone who watched Ishant pre and post Perth knows he lost his action and everything else that made him so potent till he had to remodel himself into the conservative medium pacer of his later years. With the wherewithal at the BCCI's disposal at the moment, we shouldn't have to give another guy 40-odd Tests to learn and mature on the job. As it stands, Akashdeep is a smarter and more grooved bowler than Prasidh. Even Arshdeep knows enough to pitch it up and give it a chance to move. He might go the distance but I'd rather see someone continuously driven in England than carted either side off short of length filth.
 
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Arachnödouche2.0

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As good as Pant is, him lining up at 3 down just does not feel right. For all the talk of balance, we still haven't figured this one out. At least rejig Sudarshan and Nair around 3 and 5 (yes, that means giving them more chances this series), and let Pant assume some semblance of a more conventional batsman-keeper role.
 
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Arachnödouche2.0 said:
As good as Pant is, him lining up at 3 down just does not feel right. For all the talk of balance, we still haven't figured this one out. At least rejig Sudarshan and Nair around 3 and 5 (yes, that means giving them more chances this series), and let Pant assume some semblance of a more conventional batsman-keeper role.
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Why?
 
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Xix2565

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Arachnödouche2.0 said:
No and no. Anyone who watched Ishant pre and post Perth knows he lost his action and everything else that made him so potent till he had to remodel himself into the conservative medium pacer of his later years. With the wherewithal at the BCCI's disposal at the moment, we shouldn't have to give another guy 40-odd Tests to learn and mature on the job. As it stands, Akashdeep is a smarter and more grooved bowler than Prasidh. Even Arshdeep knows enough to pitch it up and give it a chance to move. He might go the distance but I'd rather see someone continuously driven in England than carted either side off short of length filth.
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There isn't a great option here that's obvious enough to make. The extra pace bowling options are largely not good enough with the bat or not good enough to be valid options with the ball (assuming 3 main pacers of Bumrah/Siraj/___). And nothing in the conditions this game and his previous Tests suggests Akash Deep is currently good enough to pull off the Ishant role or even step up as the 2nd pace option (and no, aesthetics can go die in a hole when it comes to winning). I would've loved to see India forget about Shardul and either play all 4 of them or just pick Kuldeep for one of them, but Prasidh playing isn't really that bad.
 
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Xix2565 said:
There isn't a great option here that's obvious enough to make. The extra pace bowling options are largely not good enough with the bat or not good enough to be valid options with the ball (assuming 3 main pacers of Bumrah/Siraj/___). And nothing in the conditions this game and his previous Tests suggests Akash Deep is currently good enough to pull off the Ishant role or even step up as the 2nd pace option (and no, aesthetics can go die in a hole when it comes to winning). I would've loved to see India forget about Shardul and either play all 4 of them or just pick Kuldeep for one of them, but Prasidh playing isn't really that bad.
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It is that bad
 
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Xix2565

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capt_Luffy said:
Guy gave 6.5 runs per Over. Stop.
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He's barely played Tests. I'm a bit sick of people having zero patience and then telling me to stop saying give the players time. If you can't take this then don't watch. Not like you'll die if you can't watch a Test.
 
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