Jacques Kallis vs Imran Khan

[subshakerz]

Oh? Any specific criteria? Tests only? etc.

No idea. I may buy a copy.

 

[subshakerz]

Would you still watch him if he began quoting kyear?

Sure.

Kyear and I probably are agreeing in most of our views but we never argued on those.

 

[MasterBlaster24]

Looks like Kimber rates Imran batting as the best secondary skill of all-time and calls Kallis bowling overrated @kyear2

IIRC, in one of his earlier podcasts (I can't remember in exactly which one, actually), he said that he doesn't rate Imran's batting too much and his batting stats are inflated by not outs. He said that Imran's batting wasn't that impactful & Imran has scored 6 test centuries, and only 1 of them came in won/resulted matches. (took this as an example to prove his point) Further, he said Imran was a 'pinch blocker' in ODIs and could have singlehandedly cost the game vs Kiwis in the 1992 semis if it wasn't Inzi's batting because Imran couldn't accelerate. Maybe the point he was trying to make in that podcast was that Imran had limitations as a batter.

 

[smash84]

IIRC, in one of his earlier podcasts (I can't remember in exactly which one, actually), he said that he doesn't rate Imran's batting too much and his batting stats are inflated by not outs. He said that Imran's batting wasn't that impactful & Imran has scored 6 test centuries, and only 1 of them came in won/resulted matches. (took this as an example to prove his point) Further, he said Imran was a 'pinch blocker' in ODIs and could have singlehandedly cost the game vs Kiwis in the 1992 semis if it wasn't Inzi's batting because Imran couldn't accelerate. Maybe the point he was trying to make in that podcast was that Imran had limitations as a batter.

He hadn't read cricketer posts about Imran's batting back then

 

[Thala_0710]

Oh? Any specific criteria? Tests only? etc.

Tests only yes

 

[subshakerz]

IIRC, in one of his earlier podcasts (I can't remember in exactly which one, actually), he said that he doesn't rate Imran's batting too much and his batting stats are inflated by not outs. He said that Imran's batting wasn't that impactful & Imran has scored 6 test centuries, and only 1 of them came in won/resulted matches. (took this as an example to prove his point) Further, he said Imran was a 'pinch blocker' in ODIs and could have singlehandedly cost the game vs Kiwis in the 1992 semis if it wasn't Inzi's batting because Imran couldn't accelerate. Maybe the point he was trying to make in that podcast was that Imran had limitations as a batter.

Yes I watched that and he made those points but only in relation to saying that Imran wasn't the same as other 50 averaging batters his last decade, not to diminish Imran overall as batter.

 

[Prince EWS]

His book on 50 best batters come out this week.

Tipping Tempura #1.

 

[MasterBlaster24]

Yes I watched that and he made those points but only in relation to saying that Imran wasn't the same as other 50 averaging batters his last decade, not to diminish Imran overall as batter.

IIRC, he also said in another podcast that Kallis is pretty much underrated as a Test batter because he had to bat in tougher home conditions.

 

[kyear2]

IIRC, in one of his earlier podcasts (I can't remember in exactly which one, actually), he said that he doesn't rate Imran's batting too much and his batting stats are inflated by not outs. He said that Imran's batting wasn't that impactful & Imran has scored 6 test centuries, and only 1 of them came in won/resulted matches. (took this as an example to prove his point) Further, he said Imran was a 'pinch blocker' in ODIs and could have singlehandedly cost the game vs Kiwis in the 1992 semis if it wasn't Inzi's batting because Imran couldn't accelerate. Maybe the point he was trying to make in that podcast was that Imran had limitations as a batter.

Yes, in real podcasts he's called him a not out bandit.

 

[kyear2]

Tests only yes

Anyone knows the order?

His perspective as a statistician on the matter should be interesting. He's talked about the top 3 for a while, so shouldn't be any surprises there.

 

[kyear2]

IIRC, he also said in another podcast that Kallis is pretty much underrated as a Test batter because he had to bat in tougher home conditions.

He's pretty consistent about that.

 

[kyear2]

They never do, Kimber is the only proper analyst out of those guys

If you're talking about the show with the two clueless co-hosts, that's not watchable. They have no concept of the sport and he plays to the base.

 

[Thala_0710]

Anyone knows the order?

His perspective as a statistician on the matter should be interesting. He's talked about the top 3 for a while, so shouldn't be any surprises there.

I was interested in buying the book, it's being released tomorrow. We'll get to know if anyone buys it.
But the top 3 is:
Bradman
Hobbs/Tendulkar
Tendulkar/Hobbs

 

[Thala_0710]

I've listened to him quite a lot, and if I'm right he rates batters who've played at 5/6 quite a lot, a bit lower. I'm expecting Border and Waugh to be quite lower than CW consensus.
Also Hutton should be quite high, and some random mentions iirc Laxman, M Waugh don't make it, Kanhai does make it

 

[Johan]

Bradman is 1
Hobbs is 2

everyone else can duke it out for three

 

[kyear2]

He's a big fan of Andy Flower's wicket keeping.

Yeah, and I know you're kidding.

As it's not so much that m he rates his keeping, he doesn't really rate Gilly's that highly.

The amount of time he's quoted Warne, though he acknowledges the context and the relationship.

 

[kyear2]

I was interested in buying the book, it's being released tomorrow. We'll get to know if anyone buys it.
But the top 3 is:
Bradman
Hobbs/Tendulkar
Tendulkar/Hobbs

Yeah

 

[Thala_0710]

Yeah, and I know you're kidding.

As it's not so much that m he rates his keeping, he doesn't really rate Gilly's that highly.

The amount of time he's quoted Warne, though he acknowledges the context and the relationship.

Also the more I've watched him, he would probably rate Gilly's keeping higher, it was just that in one moment, without thinking, he said Flower imo.
Because he definitely rates Flower the better batsman, and I'm pretty sure he rates Gilly the better wkb.

 

[kyear2]

Bradman is 1
Hobbs is 2

everyone else can duke it out for three

Which is more than fair

 

[kyear2]

Also the more I've watched him, he would probably ratprobabl's keeping higher, it was just that in one moment, without thinking, he said Flower imo.
Because he definitely rates Flower the better batsman, and I'm pretty sure he rates Gilly the better wkb.

He does rate Gilly higher. That statement about Flower was a one off. He had an entire discussion about the AT keeper selection and Flower's name didn't come up once. Not even in jest.