Who is the most skillful bowler?

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Barnes. Has to be Sydney Francis Barnes.

Everyone who saw him bowl had no doubt whatsoever that He was the greatest bowler there has ever been and the greatest there ever will be.
Absolute force of personality and unbelievable confidence on his own ability, never bowed down to cricket administration's and hierarchy. And as mentioned still skillful enough to anyone to have given anyone to ever live problems when he would be of grandpa age.

 

[sayon basak]

I think it might. Otherwise I would have Asif over McGrath

Don't get how that's problematic.

 

[Thala_0710]

I think it might. Otherwise I would have Asif over McGrath

I have no issue in people saying Asif is up there or even above these guys in terms of skill.

 

[subshakerz]

I have no issue in people saying Asif is up there or even above these guys in terms of skill.

Asif generated more movement than McGrath, had more height than Philander and more bowling intelligence than Anderson. I haven't seen a new ball bowler who was that skilled.

 

[subshakerz]

Don't get how that's problematic.

Sure just seems odd to say.

 

[Thala_0710]

Asif generated more movement than McGrath, had more height than Philander and more bowling intelligence than Anderson. I haven't seen a new ball bowler who was that skilled.

I would agree

 

[sayon basak]

Asif generated more movement than McGrath, had more height than Philander and more bowling intelligence than Anderson. I haven't seen a new ball bowler who was that skilled.

And then, he had to ruin it all.

 

[subshakerz]

And then, he had to ruin it all.

Yeah it still hurts. And Amir too.

 

[sayon basak]

Oh, two Dale Steyns now, that's how skillful he was.

 

[subshakerz]

Oh, two Dale Steyns now, that's how skillful he was.

Steyn had the best outswinging ball I have seen.

 

[sayon basak]

Yeah it still hurts. And Amir too.

Tbh, never had that feeling with Amir, Asif looked out of this world.

 

[Thala_0710]

Tbh, never had that feeling with Amir, Asif looked out of this world.

Yup. Amir was a good talent too, but you get more like him. Asif was once in a generation

 

[sayon basak]

Steyn had the best outswinging ball I have seen.

And had pace too. Not having a proper inswinger hurts him a bit.

 

[vidiq]

Tbh, never had that feeling with Amir, Asif looked out of this world.

Although , I don't care about T20 , but in t20 cricket, md Amir has the 2nd or 3rd best economy after bumrah among current pacers.

 

[subshakerz]

Tbh, never had that feeling with Amir, Asif looked out of this world.

Amir was a Tendulkar level prodigy. The Amir on return in 2016 had basically watered down himself for being out of match practice.

In 2009/2011, he took a wicket with his first over and had a good series, set Pakistan up in the T20 final, took a fifer first test ever in Australia, and then set England on fire before his spotfixing and would have been Wisden player of the year by 18 years old.

That's why Michael Holding was in tears when he found out about his spotfixing, what a loss.

 

[sayon basak]

I don't care about T20.

I'd rather stick to that.

 

[smash84]

I wouldnt put Bumrah up there yet because of shorter career, but both Marshall and Bumrah combine versatility with being able to read batsmen, and Wasim wasn't outstanding at the latter.

You mentioned swing specifically. I was referring to that. You didn't explain it nor retract your point.

I was not talking about overall skillfulness.

 

[subshakerz]

You mentioned swing specifically. I was referring to that. You didn't explain it nor retract your point.

I was not talking about overall skillfulness.

Ok I mean you have raw ability of swing but swing skill to me combines that with intelligence.

 

[vidiq]

What? How are Bumrah and Marshall better than Wasim in overall swing? Both are probably better at seam than Wasim but Wasim was better at swing.

After 2021 WTC Final
Many people criticized bumrah and doubted his ability to swing the ball in english condition.

 

[smash84]

Ok I mean you have raw ability of swing but swing skill to me combines that with intelligence.

So you mean wasim was stupidly swinging it around?