Ashwin vs Swann, who is better on flat pitches?

[Majestic]

At its peak, both are comparable. Ashwin wasn't at his peak pre-2016. Compare his SENA stats since 2018.

 

[sayon basak]

At its peak, both are comparable. Ashwin wasn't at his peak pre-2016. Compare his SENA stats since 2018.

SENA stats of r.ashwin since 2018:-
In Eng:- 5 matches, 15 wickets @27
In AUS:- 4 matches, 18 wickets @27.5
In NZ:- 1 match, 3 wickets @33
In SA:- 6 matches, 11 wickets @39.81

 

[capt_Luffy]

Usual Horses*hit. This is touring spinners in Sri Lanka where the quality of pitches have not changed much.

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Not much of a change in stats hence showing DRS helping spinners is a horsehit theory.

Spinners averages 10 runs less between 2010s and 2000s...... Ofcourse there are other factors like Sri Lankan batting in the 2000s being generally much stronger, but like, this stat if anything proves his point more than yours.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Plenty of Asian spinners are more competitive than Ashwin in SENA though, he is an especially handicapped case compared to an actual all-round spinner like Swann.

I would take Murali, Saqlain, Mushtaq Ahmed, Kumble, Kaneria, Ajmal, Herath and Chandra over Ashwin in SENA.

But ajmal is proven chucker no matter how good he is chucker should never be rated above geniune spinner

 

[sayon basak]

But ajmal is proven chucker no matter how good he is chucker should never be rated above geniune spinner

That's so racist! Chuckers are also humans. Their lives matter too!

 

[govinda indian fan]

That's so racist! Chuckers are also humans. Their lives matter too!

Yes but it is aginst the spirit of game

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yes but it is aginst the spirit of game

But your comment is against humanity!!! #chuckerwicketsmatters

 

[sayon basak]

Yes but it is aginst the spirit of game

Chill man.....just joking (or am I?)

 

[Xix2565]

Usual Horses*hit. This is touring spinners in Sri Lanka where the quality of pitches have not changed much.

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Not much of a change in stats hence showing DRS helping spinners is a horsehit theory.

So the drop in averages for spinners is what, magic? Or is it now the dumb idea that skillsets magically regress across generations without any consideration for outside factors?

Like ffs, Ashwin literally tweeted about this when discussing a recent Duleep Trophy dismissal. Gtfo with this DRS didn't change anything nonsense

 

[Migara]

So the drop in averages for spinners is what, magic? Or is it now the dumb idea that skillsets magically regress across generations without any consideration for outside factors?

Like ffs, Ashwin literally tweeted about this when discussing a recent Duleep Trophy dismissal. Gtfo with this DRS didn't change anything nonsense

Drop of spinners averages co-incides with that of pacers. Either we have to assume that batsmen have regressed or DRS helps BOTH fast and spin bowlers. You can take your pick.

 

[Xix2565]

Drop of spinners averages co-incides with that of pacers. Either we have to assume that batsmen have regressed or DRS helps BOTH fast and spin bowlers. You can take your pick.

DRS obviously helps bowlers of both types more than it hurts them, and that affects the way people have to play them now. That doesn't imply regression, it suggests adaptation. It's a different game now, and to suggest that it means that batting has somehow regressed is idiotic.

 

[Migara]

If any one suggests that any of the batsmen today are as good as Shewag or Sidhu they are living under a rock.

 

[Xix2565]

If any one suggests that any of the batsmen today are as good as Shewag or Sidhu they are living under a rock.

Sehwag and Sidhu are not the stereotypical batter though, and even then they'd have some issues nowadays. Again, stop making dumbass arguments.

 

[Migara]

Sehwag and Sidhu are not the stereotypical batter though, and even then they'd have some issues nowadays. Again, stop making dumbass arguments.

Dumbass arguments . . . Look at at mirror

 

[Xix2565]

Dumbass arguments . . . Look at at mirror

You're the one who started with the idiotic idea.

 

[Johan]

Ashwin. He'd at least hang around until the series was finished.

Now?

 

[Son Of Coco]

Now?

Ashswann

 

[sayon basak]

Now?

Still Ashwin. Can't take a bowler who played for only 5 years seriously. Practically played all of his matches in his prime, if he had any.

 

[sayon basak]

Ashwin. He'd at least hang around until the series was finished.

Looks like I'm not the only jinxer.
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