Ravindra Jadeja vs Anil Kumble

[Majestic]

Is there any overseas series win which Kumble won single handedly ?

He was India's standout spinner in multiple series overseas like in SA and Aus. In 2003 Sydney test, he picked 8-fer vs GOAT Australian batting lineup.

Jadeja has not had any standout series as such. When he was supposed to lead the spin attack, he picked 6 wickets in 4 tests in England 2021. Picking wickets as a second spinner is not same as doing the hard yards as standout spinner which Kumble and Ashwin has done.

Jadeja is more like Cairns/Flintoff type bowler. Kumble and Ashwin are your borderline greats purely on bowling alone.

 

[subshakerz]

He was India's standout spinner in multiple series overseas like in SA and Aus. In 2003 Sydney test, he picked 8-fer vs GOAT Australian batting lineup.

Jadeja has not had any standout series as such. When he was supposed to lead the spin attack, he picked 6 wickets in 4 tests in England 2021. Picking wickets as a second spinner is not same as doing the hard yards as standout spinner which Kumble and Ashwin has done.

Jadeja is more like Cairns/Flintoff type bowler. Kumble and Ashwin are your borderline greats purely on bowling alone.

Definitely.

Kumble also had important roles in both victories in England by India in the 2000s, along with 44 wickets in 7 tests in Australia.

Once you take spicy pitches and the disproportionate number of home tests out of the equation, Jadeja likely wouldn't average less than 30 and this becomes an easier question.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Jadeja simply doesn't feel like a great cricketer. There, I said it.

He’s certainly not a great batsman, and he’s a borderline great bowler or however you want to categorise it, subject to interpretation.
But he’s a great cricketer.

 

[CricAddict]

Seriously though it is hard to compare them:

- Jadeja only reason has begun to play like a genuine all-rounder with his batting improving but it needs to be maintained to see if its real.

- Kumble has like double the tests of Jadeja and a much longer career

- Jadeja has played a big chunk of his tests at home, need more foreign series on his resume.

Based on the above, would opt towards Kumble for now.

You need not have explained at all. Everyone know that you would have voted for Sunil Joshi in a Jadeja vs Joshi poll.

 

[_00_deathscar]

There were 7-8 guys making contributions in that win.

And? Still made key contributions with the bat, as well as with the ball and on the field. He helped his side win.
Kumble didn’t.

And if the argument is that Jadeja had more support, home pitches wah wah, why did India not win a lot more tests back then (and he has the supposedly great Harbhajan at the other end) at home like under Ashwin and Jadeja have done? India in Ashwin and Jadeja’s time is arguably the greatest test side at home, based on the fact that they absolutely demolish opposition and teams are not only not not winning there, they aren’t even drawing there.

 

[OverratedSanity]

There were 7-8 guys making contributions in that win.

You used the same logic to downplay Ashwin's role too. Stupid as ****. Of course multiple players playing well was needed to pull of a miracle.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Seriously though it is hard to compare them:

- Jadeja only reason has begun to play like a genuine all-rounder with his batting improving but it needs to be maintained to see if its real.

- Kumble has like double the tests of Jadeja and a much longer career

- Jadeja has played a big chunk of his tests at home, need more foreign series on his resume.

Based on the above, would opt towards Kumble for now.

On the bold, since 2016? He was a handy enough bat before that too, certainly not too dissimilar from Ashwin and definitely very useful coming down the order in a strong lineup to smack runs quickly. He’s been required to change how he operates, especially since about 2019 or so.

 

[Majestic]

You used the same logic to downplay Ashwin's role too. Stupid as ****. Of course multiple players playing well was needed to pull of a miracle.

So, what makes Jadeja special then? Did he win as a standout player? No.

The standout player in 2018 win was Jasprit Bumrah and Cheteshwar Pujara.

In 2020, the standout player was Rishabh Pant.

 

[Majestic]

Jadeja got a couple of chances to produce a great performance at peak of his powers in WTC Final. He blew away both. That seperates good from truly great.

 

[Xix2565]

There were 7-8 guys making contributions in that win.

Kumble couldn't manage the same with his lot, amd Jadeja is a bigger factor than him. He literally bullies Australia like they're minnows.

 

[Xix2565]

Jadeja got a couple of chances to produce a great performance at peak of his powers in WTC Final. He blew away both. That seperates good from truly great.

Yeah only because they were played in pace bowling conditions. Kumble would've done about as well as he did considering he's not a pacer. Have some shame Jadeja haters, these types of arguments are expected from children not adults.

 

[Majestic]

Kumble couldn't manage the same with his lot, amd Jadeja is a bigger factor than him. He literally bullies Australia like they're minnows.

He picked an 8-fer alone vs GOAT Australian lineup. Jadeja doesn't have a 5-fer vs weak Australian lineup. As a bowler, Kumble is comfortably ahead of Jadeja.

Ashwin and Kumble are close as bowlers and Ashwin probably edges as cricketer. But Jadeja still has some way to go, he has got 260 wickets compared to Kumble's extraordinary achievement of 619.

Kumble has about 140 wickets in 35 matches( 4 WPM) in SENA while Ashwin has 70 wickets in 24 matches(2.9 WPM) in SENA and Jadeja has 52 wickets in 20 matches(2.6 WPM) in SENA. This shows Ashwin and Jadeja have been benefited by playing more matches at home than away.

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[Majestic]

Yeah only because they were played in pace bowling conditions. Kumble would've done about as well as he did considering he's not a pacer. Have some shame Jadeja haters, these types of arguments are expected from children not adults.

Poor post. Jadeja is not an ATG material with 2.6 WPM in SENA compared to Kumble's 4 WPM over a larger sample. Now come up with better argument.

 

[_00_deathscar]

He picked an 8-fer alone vs GOAT Australian lineup. Jadeja doesn't have a 5-fer vs weak Australian lineup. As a bowler, Kumble is comfortably ahead of Jadeja.

Ashwin and Kumble are close as bowlers and Ashwin probably edges as cricketer. But Jadeja still has some way to go, he has got 260 wickets compared to Kumble's extraordinary achievement of 619.

Kumble has about 140 wickets in 35 matches( 4 WPM) in SENA while Ashwin has 70 wickets in 24 matches(2.9 WPM) in SENA and Jadeja has 52 wickets in 20 matches(2.6 WPM) in SENA. This shows Ashwin and Jadeja have been benefited by playing more matches at home than away.

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

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No you utter imbecile, it shows India has a pace attack now.
Considering most on here value longevity quite a bit, why do you think many who have seen both would pick Jadeja over Kumble in a team? He’s a better player, it’s as simple as that.

 

[Majestic]

This is same as comparing a Philander to Anderson. Anderson would play everywhere while Philander may skips matches in Asia because he was not good enough to find a place in Asia to begin first.

But we will have some kids here claiming Philander is a better bowler than Anderson because former averages 22 while latter averages 27.

 

[Majestic]

No you utter imbecile, it shows India has a pace attack now.
Considering most on here value longevity quite a bit, why do you think many who have seen both would pick Jadeja over Kumble in a team? He’s a better player, it’s as simple as that.

You are losing the track and spouting nonsense which probably suits you better than rest.

If picking wickets in SENA was so easy, why Jadeja bowls less and picks only 2.5 WPM there after leaking runs at same average even though at home, he is picking like 4-5 WPM? Kumble has to do the hard yards due to lack of support and still with the same average in SENA, he picks 4 WPM there. Ashwin and Jadeja are far behind in that. Weren't you giving the excuse of Bhajji supporting him sometime back lol now what?

 

[BazBall21]

Think it's pretty obvious that Kumble is the considerably better bowler but I don't think the gap is big enough to offset Jadeja's all-round ability. Kumble the bowler has major flaws too.

 

[ma1978]

Jadeja js a valuable player to the team but he is neither a frontline bowler nor a top order bat (he probably should be but isn’t. Kumble was India’s best bowler for over a decade. This one isn’t that close and the forum has it completely wrong

 

[subshakerz]

Think it's pretty obvious that Kumble is the considerably better bowler but I don't think the gap is big enough to offset Jadeja's all-round ability. Kumble the bowler has major flaws too.

Jadeja's batting is not proven enough yet to overcome their gap in bowling he need to continue it.

 

[subshakerz]

Regardless of whether on merit you think Jadeja is a more valuable cricketer, Jadeja has only played 67 tests, of which 40 have been at home. That is not nearly enough of a sample for a modern cricketer to establish himself as a great.

Sad to see CW just tossing around that term to anyone who can string a few good years.