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Ravindra Jadeja vs Anil Kumble

Who is the better test cricketer?


  • Total voters
    35

Xix2565

International Regular
He picked an 8-fer alone vs GOAT Australian lineup. Jadeja doesn't have a 5-fer vs weak Australian lineup. As a bowler, Kumble is comfortably ahead of Jadeja.

Ashwin and Kumble are close as bowlers and Ashwin probably edges as cricketer. But Jadeja still has some way to go, he has got 260 wickets compared to Kumble's extraordinary achievement of 619.

Kumble has about 140 wickets in 35 matches( 4 WPM) in SENA while Ashwin has 70 wickets in 24 matches(2.9 WPM) in SENA and Jadeja has 52 wickets in 20 matches(2.6 WPM) in SENA. This shows Ashwin and Jadeja have been benefited by playing more matches at home than away.

Poor post. Jadeja is not an ATG material with 2.6 WPM in SENA compared to Kumble's 4 WPM over a larger sample. Now come up with better argument.
This shows nothing but dogshit argumentation. Nitpicking with one eye closed for wanking. Jadeja is an allrounder as well, but you've decided to ignore that for no reason other than potentially being braindead.
 

_00_deathscar

International Regular
You are losing the track and spouting nonsense which probably suits you better than rest.

If picking wickets in SENA was so easy, why Jadeja bowls less and picks only 2.5 WPM there after leaking runs at same average even though at home, he is picking like 4-5 WPM? Kumble has to do the hard yards due to lack of support and still with the same average in SENA, he picks 4 WPM there. Ashwin and Jadeja are far behind in that. Weren't you giving the excuse of Bhajji supporting him sometime back lol now what?
The question is whether Jadeja is a better test cricket than Kumble, and the answer is yes, he is. This isn't Jadeja against Shane Warne - Kumble had major flaws as a bowler too, the gap in their bowling, if any, isn't enough to cover Jadeja's qualities as a batsman and a fielder.

India don't win/draw half the games they do (many from a potentially perilous position) especially since 2019 or so without Jadeja's contributions with the bat.

If you want to cover the bowling, then yes Kumble has more impressive performances as a bowler alone away from home, yet has a higher average. Jadeja's low WPM away from home, in relation to Kumble specifically, can be explained by the fact that he just isn't needed as a frontline bowler - India have a pace attack they can use and have done so since Ishant became good, Shami and Umesh initially started being useful and then Bumrah and Siraj came into the picture. Kumble bowled more and was the best bowler in the team because our pace attack was ****, ergo he was inevitably going to take more wickets.
As it is, with all his wickets, he didn't actually specifically contribute to any major wins abroad (series), whereas Jadeja jas.

At home, if Kumble was so great, why did India draw/lose so many tests in his lifetime?

I'm not saying Jadeja > Kumble the bowler (though I don't think it's that asinine), I think they're at worst somewhat comparable, at best you could argue Jadeja is better (which is probably wrong, but there is an argument there). Specifically, at home, Jadeja has really outshone Kumble in terms of output and impact (i.e. wins) alone, regardless of what hypothetical parameters you want to put in there ("Jadeja had better bowling tracks etc").
The point is the difference between them isn't insane.

The problem with those hypothetical parameters is that he also averages 40 batting on those same tracks, and about ~45 or more since 2016/2017 when those very specific tracks became absolute minefields allegedly to bat on.

And if you only had to pick one for the side without the rest of the side made up, why would you not pick the better cricket player who will allow you far more options to pick other players while contributing more?
 

Majestic

U19 Captain
Welcome to cricket mate. Closest bloke to winning a test singlehandedly is Laker, and shockingly other players contributed too! Let alone a series.
The question that was asked to me was whether Kumble won the series overseas single handedly? So, in that context, the answer is tit for tat. I have been watching and commenting on cricket from past 20 years, so thanks!
 

Majestic

U19 Captain
Hmmm. His average on face value and skill is probably about 30 but that's still AR level.
Jadeja vs Kumble as cricketer is debatable imo. As of now, due to one guy having finished his full career and the other guy probably still has 20 tests left in him, I would give Kumble as edge. Jaddu can surpass him I don't doubt that but it seems some folks have really lost their mind and thinking him of some kind of bonafide ATG all rounder already.

Jadeja is probably a Cairns level all rounder in my opinion who is destructive in conditions assisting spinners but not capable of leading an attack on flat decks while Kumble is probably Anderson level bowler who led Indian attack for two decades home and overseas both.

The more Jadeja plays, he will have some standout knocks with bat and probably 2-3 spells worth mentioning in SENA as well. Then we can put him as a better cricketer than Kumble.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Hmmm. His average on face value and skill is probably about 30 but that's still AR level.
Again, with 60 odd tests, which is not really a lot for a supposed modern great.

Let him get to 100 tests with more tests away from home and let's see if he can maintain his record.
 

BazBall21

International Captain
Again, with 60 odd tests, which is not really a lot for a supposed modern great.

Let him get to 100 tests with more tests away from home and let's see if he can maintain his record.
Neither player is an ATG. Both have very significant flaws.
 

_00_deathscar

International Regular
Again, with 60 odd tests, which is not really a lot for a supposed modern great.

Let him get to 100 tests with more tests away from home and let's see if he can maintain his record.
Don't you think it's interesting that those who watched both play regularly consider Jadeja a greater cricketer?

I mean you think Harbhajan was as good as Ashwin/Jadeja so...
 

Majestic

U19 Captain
Don't you think it's interesting that those who watched both play regularly consider Jadeja a greater cricketer?

I mean you think Harbhajan was as good as Ashwin/Jadeja so...
There are multiple folks here who don't think the same. So, let's not be delusional.

Don't make up statements which I didn't said now since you are not able to respond to the fact that why the rank turners beneficiaries have leaked same runs per match overseas as Kumble but ended with lesser wickets?

Kumble matches 35, Wkts 140, AVG 37
Ashwin matches 24, Wkts 70, AVG 40
Jadeja matches 20, Wkts 52, AVG 37

I do think they are comparable to Kumble as cricketer but Kumble has done it for almost two decades as standout spinner while Jadeja with 60 odd tests still has some way to go. I even said in one of my posts that as cricketer, Ashwin probably edges Kumble due to his added batting but Jadeja still has some way because he has not played and contributed as much yet.

The averages are good thanks to both the bowlers competing for a spot overseas and hence gets to play more home matches and miss out away ones. Let him play a bit more and he will have more overseas performances and then we can start putting him in the bracket which is higher than kumble. At the moment, they are more remembered for their home exploits.
 

Xix2565

International Regular
Still yet to make a proper argument beyond bowling in away games, which is but one part of a career lol. Shameless idiots.
 

PlayerComparisons

International Captain
Regardless of whether on merit you think Jadeja is a more valuable cricketer, Jadeja has only played 67 tests, of which 40 have been at home. That is not nearly enough of a sample for a modern cricketer to establish himself as a great.

Sad to see CW just tossing around that term to anyone who can string a few good years.
Which players from Jadeja’s era (last decade) do you consider greats?
 

Xix2565

International Regular
What about number of career tests which has been mentioned multiple times?
The difference in roles and overall impact is enough for me to rate Jadeja over Kumble. This is like saying Waqar is worse than Walsh largely because he didn't play as long (and that's between bowlers not an allrounder vs a bowler as is the case here). Your biased standards for rating players rarely makes sense, so I don't see why you want to pretend to have some sort of accuracy in this area.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Which players from Jadeja’s era (last decade) do you consider greats?
Kohli, Ashwin, Root, Rabada, Anderson either already are or will be greats by career end, Stokes is a likely too.

Smith is an ATG and Cummins will likely be one by career end.
 
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