Ravindra Jadeja vs Anil Kumble

[PlayerComparisons]

ATG all rounder vs great bowler

 

[_00_deathscar]

Jadeja is the better cricketer

 

[Prince EWS]

Answer.

 

[Chin Music]

I voted Kumble. A far better bowler in my opinion. Never got to bowl on anything like the number of sandpits Jadeja has, and largely played against a generation of far better batters than Jadeja has.

 

[Silver Silva]

I voted Kumble. A far better bowler in my opinion. Never got to bowl on anything like the number of sandpits Jadeja has, and largely played against a generation of far better batters than Jadeja has.

Source : Zaheer E. Clarke

THE DECADE ANALYSIS: Batting and Bowling in Test Cricket

By Zaheer E. Clarke Published December 14, 2015 Like any scientist, I returned to my dungeon – the statistical one to be exact – focused and never so committed to unearthing what the av…

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Decade	Batting Ave	Decade Batting Rank	Bowling Ave	Decade Bowling Rank
1870s-1910s	17.49 – 25.91	11 – 15	18.18 – 26.90	1 – 5
1920s	31.88	4	33.25	12
1930s	31.12	5	32.15	11
1940s	34.26	1	35.34	15
1950s	27.38	10	28.54	6
1960s	30.81	6	32.10	10
1970s	30.76	7	31.90	8
1980s	30.45	8	32.09	9
1990s	29.45	9	31.51	7
2000s	32.02	3	34.10	14
2010s	32.37	2	33.85	13

The average batting averages in Jadeja's era is actually higher than in Kumble's era

 

[Chin Music]

Source : Zaheer E. Clarke

THE DECADE ANALYSIS: Batting and Bowling in Test Cricket

By Zaheer E. Clarke Published December 14, 2015 Like any scientist, I returned to my dungeon – the statistical one to be exact – focused and never so committed to unearthing what the av…

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Decade	Batting Ave	Decade Batting Rank	Bowling Ave	Decade Bowling Rank
1870s-1910s	17.49 – 25.91	11 – 15	18.18 – 26.90	1 – 5
1920s	31.88	4	33.25	12
1930s	31.12	5	32.15	11
1940s	34.26	1	35.34	15
1950s	27.38	10	28.54	6
1960s	30.81	6	32.10	10
1970s	30.76	7	31.90	8
1980s	30.45	8	32.09	9
1990s	29.45	9	31.51	7
2000s	32.02	3	34.10	14
2010s	32.37	2	33.85	13

The average batting averages in Jadeja's era is actually higher than in Kumble's era

Would that not at least partially be because there are less 8,9,10 jack bunny rabbits. I know England had plenty in the 90s and early 00s? I definitely think that batting was better in the 90s and 00s globally and that the last few years has been considerably poorer although much of this is down to often loaded pitches, cf India over the last few years when Kohli and others have been seriously off the boil.

 

[BazBall21]

I think Kumble is a significantly better bowler, but he still has a very flawed bowling resume. Don't think he can offset Jadeja being an all-rounder with gun fielding. Kumble vs Ashwin as cricketers is closer. Kumble vs Chandra as bowlers too.

 

[Silver Silva]

Would that not at least partially be because there are less 8,9,10 jack bunny rabbits. I know England had plenty in the 90s and early 00s? I definitely think that batting was better in the 90s and 00s globally and that the last few years has been considerably poorer although much of this is down to often loaded pitches, cf India over the last few years when Kohli and others have been seriously off the boil.

India didn't win a single test match outside Asia in the 90's, do you think Kumble being the lead spinner should have done better ?
One of your arguments is that Jadeja relied on sandpits to get his better bowling record but Jadeja has a better away average than Kumble aswell .

 

[BazBall21]

India didn't win a single test match outside Asia in the 90's, do you think Kumble being the lead spinner should have done better ?
One of your arguments is that Jadeja relied on sandpits to get his better bowling record but Jadeja has a better away average than Kumble aswell .

Kumble had much poorer bowling support by and large though, also has a much bigger sample of overseas tests. Thus far less hiding place in general.

 

[Chin Music]

India didn't win a single test match outside Asia in the 90's, do you think Kumble being the lead spinner should have done better ?
One of your arguments is that Jadeja relied on sandpits to get his better bowling record but Jadeja has a better away average than Kumble aswell .

That was very largely down to India being useless with the bat abroad, Tendulkar and Dravid aside and of course Dravid didn't arrive until circa 96. So Kumble often never had that many runs to play with, let alone having to bowl at a vastly superior Australian/South African/Sri Lankan batting lineups for three, compared to their current equivalents.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Thought this would be closer. Jadeja just too good

 

[Bolo.]

Source : Zaheer E. Clarke

THE DECADE ANALYSIS: Batting and Bowling in Test Cricket

By Zaheer E. Clarke Published December 14, 2015 Like any scientist, I returned to my dungeon – the statistical one to be exact – focused and never so committed to unearthing what the av…

zaheerliesandstatistics.wordpress.com

Decade	Batting Ave	Decade Batting Rank	Bowling Ave	Decade Bowling Rank
1870s-1910s	17.49 – 25.91	11 – 15	18.18 – 26.90	1 – 5
1920s	31.88	4	33.25	12
1930s	31.12	5	32.15	11
1940s	34.26	1	35.34	15
1950s	27.38	10	28.54	6
1960s	30.81	6	32.10	10
1970s	30.76	7	31.90	8
1980s	30.45	8	32.09	9
1990s	29.45	9	31.51	7
2000s	32.02	3	34.10	14
2010s	32.37	2	33.85	13

The average batting averages in Jadeja's era is actually higher than in Kumble's era

That isn't really Jadeja's era. Ends in 2015.

 

[OverratedSanity]

That isn't really Jadeja's era. Ends in 2015.

Yeah the first half of that decade was absurdly batting friendly.

 

[Majestic]

Kumble but Jadeja can surpass him if he wins something overseas rather than just putting good averages.

 

[Xix2565]

Kumble but Jadeja can surpass him if he wins something overseas rather than just putting good averages.

2 series wins in Australia???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[subshakerz]

Jadeja simply doesn't feel like a great cricketer. There, I said it.

 

[subshakerz]

Seriously though it is hard to compare them:

- Jadeja only reason has begun to play like a genuine all-rounder with his batting improving but it needs to be maintained to see if its real.

- Kumble has like double the tests of Jadeja and a much longer career

- Jadeja has played a big chunk of his tests at home, need more foreign series on his resume.

Based on the above, would opt towards Kumble for now.

 

[honestbharani]

Jadeja simply doesn't feel like a great cricketer. There, I said it.

yeah no better proof that he is great.

 

[Majestic]

2 series wins in Australia???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

There were 7-8 guys making contributions in that win.

 

[h_hurricane]

There were 7-8 guys making contributions in that win.

Is there any overseas series win which Kumble won single handedly ?