Is there a team that can beat this Asian ODI XI?

[subshakerz]

I mean in Asia you have to get the new ball overs out of the way and then throw the ball to Murali and Ashwin/Kumble until the remaining wickets fall. Bumrah or Waqar in SEA depends on what version of Bumrah I'm getting. If I'm playing in NZ Miandad is the first batsman picked. There's a million ways you could shuffle the players.

In SC conditions, Waqar was mostly a demon, averaging 20 in Pakistan and 21 in SL. Only played two poor tests in India at the end of his career.

 

[srbhkshk]

Again, why this obsession with getting an extra bat at the expense of bowling quality?

Because he is special.

 

[subshakerz]

I'd say Kapil is definitely a more useful lower order batsman than Imran, especially in a strong batting lineup. I wouldn't have him as third seamer though. Fifth bowler, sure. You probably don't need a second spinner generally when you have Murali. It just depends on what you prefer. I'm going for variety so I'll take a spinner.

Imran is a better lower order bat, especially if you want someone to work with the tail.

 

[subshakerz]

Because he is special.

In ODIs, definitely. In tests, I prefer the Waqar toe-crusher.

 

[subshakerz]

Imran/Wasim/Waqar/Murali are fixed in this bowling lineup regardless of SC or outside.

The only question is the fourth bowling option.

In SC, you need a second spinner, so its either Kumble or Ashwin.

Outside SC, you can either go with Shoaib, or Kapil if you want more batting depth.

 

[trundler]

In SC conditions, Waqar was mostly a demon, averaging 20 in Pakistan and 21 in SL. Only played two poor tests in India at the end of his career.

Waqar definitely plays at home for me. I meant the pacers would barely need to bowl with Murali and Ashwin/Kumble around at home. Until Ashwin twists a love handle I guess.

Imran is a better lower order bat, especially if you want someone to work with the tail.

Arguable. The batting is so solid you're better off with someone who can do crazy **** IMO and Kapil definitely played more impact knocks.

 

[subshakerz]

Arguable. The batting is so solid you're better off with someone who can do crazy **** IMO and Kapil definitely played more impact knocks.

If the batting is that solid then why do you need an extra allrounder?

 

[CricAddict]

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Miandad/Younis
Sangakkara
Imran
------
------
Akram
Murali

All the above are locks in the side. Based on your personal preference, just go with Kapil/Waqar/Bumrah/Jadeja/Ashwin /Shakib/Kumble for the two open slots.

There is no changing any one's mind and this continuous argument is futile. Any two of the above bowlers will make this a quality team.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Miandad/Younis
Sangakkara
Imran
------
------
Akram
Murali

All the above are locks in the side. Based on your personal preference, just go with Kapil/Waqar/Bumrah/Jadeja/Ashwin /Shakib/Kumble for the two open slots.

There is no changing any one's mind and this continuous argument is futile. Any two of the above bowlers will make this a quality team.

I wasn't sure everyone you listed would even make it into my top 3 Asian teams (assuming picking all-conditions XIs) but after some quick scribbling I guess they probably would.

Asia 3rd XI

Spoiler

Hanif
Anwar
YK
Inzi
Kohli
Pant
Dev
Ashwin
Kumble
Shoaib
Bumrah

Asia 2nd XI

Spoiler

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Miandad
Sanga
Shakib
Imran
Akram
Younis
Murali

Asia 1st XI

Spoiler

Jadeja

 

[subshakerz]

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Miandad/Younis
Sangakkara
Imran
------
------
Akram
Murali

All the above are locks in the side. Based on your personal preference, just go with Kapil/Waqar/Bumrah/Jadeja/Ashwin /Shakib/Kumble for the two open slots.

There is no changing any one's mind and this continuous argument is futile. Any two of the above bowlers will make this a quality team.

Ok.

Out of the current players, Babar, Kohli, Pant and Bumrah all have a shot at making the confirmed XI in the future. Yes, assuming Kohli makes a rebound.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Imran is a better lower order bat, especially if you want someone to work with the tail.

Better batsman Imran (1987-92) is no match for Kapil the bowler.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Miandad/Younis
Sangakkara
Imran
------
------
Akram
Murali

All the above are locks in the side. Based on your personal preference, just go with Kapil/Waqar/Bumrah/Jadeja/Ashwin /Shakib/Kumble for the two open slots.

There is no changing any one's mind and this continuous argument is futile. Any two of the above bowlers will make this a quality team.

Sanga at 6? Averaged only 40 at 3.

 

[subshakerz]

Better batsman Imran (1987-92) is no match for Kapil the bowler.

80-88 Imran as a bat > Kapil as a bat

 

[Migara]

Yeah, you are definitely getting a far better bowler and maybe that's the way to go, but Waqar ain't hitting 4 sixes when you need 20 to avoid the follow on with 1 wicket remaining so idk, there are edge cases when Kapil might end up being more useful and I am biased by that with the hope that Kapil's bowling won't end up losing matches for you by itself.

If you have a better fifth bowler you will not be looking at follow ons

 

[Migara]

Asian first XI

Gavaskar
Anwar
Sangakkara
Tendulkar
Dravid
Younis
Dhoni+
Imran*
Akram
Murali
Waqar

Asian 2nd XI

Hanif
Shewag
Kohli
Miandad*
Shakib
Laxman
Engineer+
Ashwin
Bumrah
Asif
Shoaib

Asian 3rd XI

Jayasuriya
Iqbal
Ganguly
Mahela J*
Inzamam
Samaraweera
Rahim+
Kapil
Vaas
Kumble
Srinath

 

[trundler]

The keeper selection is the most interesting to me. Murali is going to be this team's trump card in Asia so you don't want a merely passable keeper. Pant has improved and he's a fantastic batsman but I don't trust him yet. Latif seems like a massive downgrade with the bat. Dhoni is alright at both I guess but I'm tempted to lean towards a passable batsman who's great with the gloves. That brings us to Engineer. Dunno how good PJ was with the bat. Engineer opening is a pretty good option actually. You can bring in a much more rounded but less fun batsman in the middle order over Sehwag.

 

[ashley bach]

Ok.

Out of the current players, Babar, Kohli, Pant and Bumrah all have a shot at making the confirmed XI in the future. Yes, assuming Kohli makes a rebound.

Does Kohli really need to make a rebound?
Looking at the list of players and all the stats, wouldn't it be a brave call to say he wasn't the greatest ODI player of all time?

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

The keeper selection is the most interesting to me. Murali is going to be this team's trump card in Asia so you don't want a merely passable keeper. Pant has improved and he's a fantastic batsman but I don't trust him yet. Latif seems like a massive downgrade with the bat. Dhoni is alright at both I guess but I'm tempted to lean towards a passable batsman who's great with the gloves. That brings us to Engineer. Dunno how good PJ was with the bat. Engineer opening is a pretty good option actually. You can bring in a much more rounded but less fun batsman in the middle order over Sehwag.

Going purely off my memories of his ODI keeping, Sanga always seemed pretty decent (in particular to spin and to Murali specifically). Whether he'd have been so good standing back to the Pakistani quicks I guess is a question mark.

 

[Himannv]

Going purely off my memories of his ODI keeping, Sanga always seemed pretty decent (in particular to spin and to Murali specifically). Whether he'd have been so good standing back to the Pakistani quicks I guess is a question mark.

I reckon he's an above average keeper, but not even the best Sri Lankan one in terms of pure keeping (and I'm not being biased by saying that).

I'm not sure if he's the best keeper-batsman available though and it maybe depends on how people rate Engineer with both the bat and the gloves. Engineer kept to Gupte, who I think is a very good spinner, and also the spin quartet. Hard to say how he'd have done keeping against pace but the stats seem to suggest he did alright when batting against pace, which I think involves similar sort of reflexes and coordination. Akram might be the tricky one to keep to for either keeper depending on which version of him is playing.

 

[Slifer]

Asian first XI

Gavaskar
Anwar
Sangakkara
Tendulkar
Dravid
Younis
Dhoni+
Imran*
Akram
Murali
Waqar

Asian 2nd XI

Hanif
Shewag
Kohli
Miandad*
Shakib
Laxman
Engineer+
Ashwin
Bumrah
Asif
Shoaib

Asian 3rd XI

Jayasuriya
Iqbal
Ganguly
Mahela J*
Inzamam
Samaraweera
Rahim+
Kapil
Vaas
Kumble
Srinath

I'd have Fazal in the 3rd X1 personally.