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CW's Ranking of Pace Bowlers (Tests)
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Cricketer Of The Year
Fuller Pilch
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Graham McKenzie
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Thommo was clearly faster and scarier, but Wagner is better.
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I'd rather face Glenn Mcgrath than Brett Lee. Doesnt make Lee a better bowler than Mcgrath.
Victor Ian
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Sill argument. Wagner only looks good because of the era. Put him on 2000's and he wouldn't even play grade. Put him in any other era and he would be only half as effective, which would see him dropped. I mean, Southee is also a **** **** but his figures look decent since pitches started to aid bowlers.
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Would you? Why? Thomson is a miles better bowler than Wagner ffs. He took apart a Windies side with Greenidge, Fredericks, Richards, Lloyd and Rowe in it, as well as the Poms in 74/75. The bloke was a force of nature. I love Wagner, #runsinhardbowlsallday but he isn't a patch on Thommo as a bowler, let alone Gillespie who is better than them both.
This is why I don't often pop into these discussions. It just depresses me. I don't know if it's cognitive deficit or a simple lack of understanding about the game of cricket in particular.
Either way, standards need to lift.
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I'm very busy. I often don't have time tbh. I actually opened this thread as I was surprised it was still going.
Fuller Pilch
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A workhorse who bowls long spells and gets lots of wickets. Great bowler. Wagner is probably the 2nd best change seamer behind Garner and the 3rd best left armer behind Wasim and Davidson.
Likewise Southee has a great record in the subcontinent and is probably as good around as Anderson.
Victor Ian
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Nup. I know I belittle the annoying douche a bit too much, but he is not in the same universe as garner. He is no where near those that you have mentioned.
Extremely silly to say this considering we've had bowling friendly eras before and the 2000's were really a batting paradise era with the kinds of pitches around then. Might as well denigrate the older bowlers because they never got to bowl during a really flat era like the 2000s and so their records are all inflated.
And Wagner's record as a 1st/2nd change bowler is close to Garner, Marshall and Walsh so to pretend like he's not worth rating is bizarre.
Victor Ian
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It's context. You can believe bowling now is not like batting in to naughties. My point is Wagner has similar numbers due to era. Vbowl him alongside garner, Wasim, etc and everyone would say 'sorry mate - you aren't good enough'. I'm not pretending he's not worth rating. Im serious. It's like Crowe is a better batsman than half the 50 club pretenders of recent.
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I am not getting into Wagner vs Thomson but no batsman will rather face Mcgrath than Brett Lee lol.
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And this is one more reason I wish that we can keep the voting going. So many quality pacers like Thomson, Gillespie, Shami and workhorses like Zaheer, Srinath, Vaas, Gough etc. are yet to be picked.
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I would.