Perry average vs Men in Tests

[Jack1]

Perry slots in at preferred position (4) for Australia for 50 tests in the next 5 years (and doesn't get injured). Labuschange and Smith can decide between them who bats 3 and 5, they can alternate if necessary. Average prediction?

For reference: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/9494247.stm

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[Burgey]

13 with the bat and 80 with the ball

 

[Flem274*]

not much, but more than she would if you move her career 10 years prior.

after watching the nz seamers A-Z on youtube im convinced a lot of those 1930s medium pacers are fortunate we can't time travel the best modern womens players back to their era because sophie devine would bomb them with ease, and devine is no perry.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Nice troll thread

 

[Red]

I genuinely wonder what level of men’s cricket the elite female international cricketers would slot in to.

 

[Burgey]

Grade level. Second or thirds Maybe ones in a weaker club.

 

[Chewie]

I wonder what @Prince EWS thinks

 

[Red]

I doubt a woman would ever compete with men as a quick bowler or batsman due to strength, but it’ll be interesting one day if a female spinner was dominating at elite woman’s level.

 

[Migara]

I doubt a woman would ever compete with men as a quick bowler or batsman due to strength, but it’ll be interesting one day if a female spinner was dominating at elite woman’s level.

Things female cricketer could do as well as men is wicket keeping and batting. Spin bowling won't be good enough because they are way too slow through air. You need to hit 85 - 90k in average to trouble batsman as a spinner (slower and faster variations excluded). (I have bowled off breaks to some club level batswomen back in home, and even at ripe age of 45 with withering knees due to multiple ACL tears, I was troubling them with pace). However, females are same level as men with reflexes. So keeping would be equal or probably better due to shorter height of females. You don't need to be very strong to excel as a test batsman as well. A sedate batter who could occupy crease for long times probably is the best role.

 

[Burgey]

Maybe the ones you bowled to weren't much chop though.

 

[Red]

Things female cricketer could do as well as men is wicket keeping and batting. Spin bowling won't be good enough because they are way too slow through air. You need to hit 85 - 90k in average to trouble batsman as a spinner (slower and faster variations excluded). (I have bowled off breaks to some club level batswomen back in home, and even at ripe age of 45 with withering knees due to multiple ACL tears, I was troubling them with pace). However, females are same level as men with reflexes. So keeping would be equal or probably better due to shorter height of females.

You don’t make any sense. Why would 85km spin bowling trouble female elite batsmen particularly?

And anyway, my point is a female spinner could be good enough to compete in test cricket, potentially.

And finally, female’s reflexes are clearly not the “same level” as men’s. That’s basic biology.

 

[Burgey]

My young bloke's club has an under 24s side which played a trial on the weekend vs Penrith women's first grade side. Match was set up on the basis the blokes couldn't bowl their quicks and had certain other limitations placed on them.

The blokes' side played a development squad of really young kids - didn't put up any of the blokes who would normally play in the under 24s first XI. They did that on the not unreasonable basis that if they all played but couldn't bowl and bat as per usual (they had to retire at 30 odd) and had limitations placed on them but lost, the outcome of the game would certainly not include a reference to the fact it was set up so the blokes could not play as usual.

The development side rolled the women's team for 70. I don't know how strong Penrith women's team is overall, but they wanted to bat out their overs and ended up making 14/ 107 from 30 overs. The blokes side, which included mostly kids made 184 from their 30 overs, with a number of blokes retiring.

Make of that what you will I guess.

Edit: apologies, they played one 1st XI player, the skipper. Rest of the side was 16-20 yo.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Grade level. Second or thirds Maybe ones in a weaker club.

Sounds about right. The very best women cricketers in the world might be able to hold their own in Grade 1s on a very good day

Part of me thinks this is still being a bit generous

 

[Prince EWS]

I wonder what @Prince EWS thinks

@Cabinet96 may have some thoughts.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah I think the skill levels are high enough but the pace at which things are done is obviously a fair bit slower. When Burgeinho was playing Greenies, a young girl who's since gone onto play WBBL for the Sixers and has now moved to Tassie to look for FC opportunities was bowling and fielding at a centre wicket session with the boys and she routinely threw down the stumps - as much as the State boys player we had tbh - but her arm was nowhere near as strong as most of the lads. Likewise her bowling - she shaped the ball really well and hit good areas. but her pace just didn't trouble them.

TBF they were an exceptional side though. Went through undefeated and won it pretty easily.

 

[Burgey]

@Cabinet96 may have some thoughts.

Cabby's been quiet since June. Hope he's ok.

If he's still just lurking and not posting, he should surely resign as a moderator though. @GIMH to comment.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I genuinely wonder what level of men’s cricket the elite female international cricketers would slot in to.

Not very high. Football is far ahead of cricket as far as women’s sports goes and they get absolutely humiliated in friendlies by college and lower (U16) teams.

Cricket there’s the added point re pace bowling. Men are a good few 20-30+ clicks ahead, if not more.

 

[Starfighter]

not much, but more than she would if you move her career 10 years prior.

after watching the nz seamers A-Z on youtube im convinced a lot of those 1930s medium pacers are fortunate we can't time travel the best modern womens players back to their era because sophie devine would bomb them with ease, and devine is no perry.

I think you underestimate the difficulty on hitting that sort of bowling on uncovered pitches and with the bats of the time. Many of those medium pacers would have been bowling around the same speed as the faster women's bowlers today.

 

[Gob]

This reminds me of a chat I had with a female co worker (she was a bit of a feminist) where I was working. I tried to explain how everything in most male sports happen at a greater speed and involves greater strength hence the male game is bit more advanced. She refused to get the point claiming that the skill set required was even which wasn't what I was arguing about. I cited many examples from cricket. She ended up calling me a ***ist in the end

 

[TheJediBrah]

This reminds me of a chat I had with a female co worker (she was a bit of a feminist) where I was working. I tried to explain how everything in most male sports happen at a greater speed and involves greater strength hence the male game is bit more advanced. She refused to get the point claiming that the skill set required was even which wasn't what I was arguing about. I cited many examples from cricket. She ended up calling me a ***ist in the end

I don't get that point of view. If people really think there is no physical difference between men and women (even in non-contact sports) then why do they think the sports are separated by gender?