The great 1980s all rounders

[trundler]

Also Imran was a better ODI batsman statistically than guys like Border and Richie Richardson. Also had a better bowling average than Kapil. Imran was a vastly superior test bowler and captain too. Tough to split them as batsmen because they were so different but really, Imran was clearly better in tests as well as ODIs. Kapil averaged 7 less with the bat in ODIs ffs.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Also Imran was a better ODI batsman statistically than guys like Border and Richie Richardson. Also had a better bowling average than Kapil. Imran was a vastly superior test bowler and captain too. Tough to split them as batsmen because they were so different but really, Imran was clearly better in tests as well as ODIs. Kapil averaged 7 less with the bat in ODIs ffs.

Kapil also better than Border in ODis statistically.

Imran greater test player
Kapil greater odi player

Kapil greater batsman and fielder in both formats

 

[Coronis]

That's almost 70% of His career. + He was not a good fielder.

Ok if you want to split up peoples careers...

Imran’s first 60 tests:
2255 runs @ 30.06 with 2 centuries, 282 wickets @ 21.74 with 19 5’fers.
Last 28 tests:
1552 runs @ 59.69 with 4 centuries, 80 wickets @ 27.52 with 4 5’fers.

Two clearly distinct phases of his career, and though you wouldn’t get both at the same time, any side in the world ever would kill for either of these players. Either of these periods in isolation would still have him considered as an ATG.

 

[Red]

Also Imran was a better ODI batsman statistically than guys like Border and Richie Richardson. Also had a better bowling average than Kapil. Imran was a vastly superior test bowler and captain too. Tough to split them as batsmen because they were so different but really, Imran was clearly better in tests as well as ODIs. Kapil averaged 7 less with the bat in ODIs ffs.

Kapil was a monster with the bat in ODI. If you wanted someone to bat at 4 or 5 and bat thru 20-30 overs you'd take Imran. If you want someone to come in at 6-8 late in the innings, and really up the run rate, it'd be Kapil every time.

 

[Coronis]

Also Procter is still the best. Better batsman than Botham (and Dev) and at least the equal of Imran as a bowler, if not Hadlee.

 

[zaremba]

So, rtramdas (location Kerala), what particular factor causes you to rate Indian all-rounder Kapil Dev above all the other (non-Indian) all-rounders being discussed?

 

[fredfertang]

So, rtramdas (location Kerala), what particular factor causes you to rate Indian all-rounder Kapil Dev above all the other (non-Indian) all-rounders being discussed?

This sort of thing is why Mr Z has a red bag rather than a blue one

 

[marc71178]

Flintoff is miles ahead of Botham when it comes to English ODI all rounders

Don’t take anything he says about ODI all rounders seriously, constant bollocks and misrepresentations to support his fanboying.

 

[Red]

Also Procter is still the best. Better batsman than Botham (and Dev) and at least the equal of Imran as a bowler, if not Hadlee.

Quite probably, yes. Shame he, GPollock and BRichards couldn't have played tests (for Australia if not SA)

 

[AndrewB]

Or for England - Procter IIRC had played for Gloucestershire for so long that he had qualified as English towards the end of his career, although I don't think it was seriously suggested that he play for England (it just meant Glos could pick another overseas player).

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Procter put himself forward as a possible England Test captain before Botham was appointed. He was 34 by then and admitted it was unlikely.

I think the idea that he was a better bowler than Imran or Hadlee is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Burgey]

i too has watched the game from 85 onwards....For your info: , a lot of fans rate Kapil very highly based on the contexts he played in . Recalling a poll a few months back in a well known cricket forum w.r.t this. Of all the 12 members voted , 10 considered Kapil the better over all all rounder among the FAB 4. Similarly we can see several messages quoting him as the best related to clippings w.r.t this topic , especially this when fair play too comes into picture.

Yeah well, they were wrong.

Also, if Hadlee is rated as an all rounder, then frankly so should Mitchell Johnson. Their batting was basically the same standard.

 

[aussie tragic]

What's all this talk about Mike Procter in a 1980's allrounder thread? He retired from county cricket in 81

 

[Coronis]

Procter put himself forward as a possible England Test captain before Botham was appointed. He was 34 by then and admitted it was unlikely.

I think the idea that he was a better bowler than Imran or Hadlee is a bit of a stretch.

His first class record stacks up quite favourably with theirs. During a period of time when first class cricket was extremely strong, unlike now. I think its quite disingenuous to say that he wouldn’t rival them at the very least.

 

[h_hurricane]

The fact that Mike Procter did not play much test cricket means he cannot be rated. Neither above or below others. He might have averaged 15 with the ball and 50 with the bat. Or 25 with the ball and 30 with the bat. We never know. All left to speculation.

 

[aussie tragic]

Some more reasons why Botham was the best 80's allrounder:

200 runs and 20 wkts in a series
Botham (4), Dev (2), Miller (2), Sobers (2),Hadlee (1), Imran (1), Kallis (1)

50 and 5 wkts in an innings in same match
Botham (8), Hadlee (6), Dev (4), Imran (3), Miller (2), Sobers (2), Kallis (1)

100 and 13 wkts in a match
Only Ian Botham

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Botham was an amazing late 70s all rounder, just as Procter was amazing in the late 60s and 70s, but that is not what we are discussing, and we are not discussing ODIs either. The big four in the1980s were clearly Imran 1, Hadlee 2, ?,?

Averages for the decade (80-89):

Imran - batting 44.18 bowling 19.12
Hadlee - batting 30.90. bowling 19.28
Botham - batting 33.75. bowling 32.39
Kapil - batting 30.76. bowling 29.54

Imran and Hadlee inspired their sides to be the Windies’ only challenges during the decade, Kapil did well against the Windies too, and Botham was substandard against them.

In my opinion, Imran (also an inspirational captain) is third only to Sobers and Kallis.

 

[aussie tragic]

Botham was an amazing late 70s all rounder, just as Procter was amazing in the late 60s and 70s, but that is not what we are discussing, and we are not discussing ODIs either. The big four in the1980s were clearly Imran 1, Hadlee 2, ?,?

If you're saying Botham doesn't count because he played in late 70's, you do know that Imran debuted in 1971 right?

 

[h_hurricane]

If you're saying Botham doesn't count because he played in late 70's, you do know that Imran debuted in 1971 right?

I think what he said was that if we are talking about 80s, we should consider their performance in 80s alone. Botham was a better all rounder than Imran in 70s. In 80s, it is Imran all the way. Intererstingly, Botham was the only one who averaged above 30 with the ball in the 80s, a clearly modest 32.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I wouldn’t dare for one second to ever claim to know what goes on in Burgey’s head. But my guess here would be that the title of the thread isn’t supposed to be taken quite so literally as to start the comparison from the 1st January 1980.