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South Africa team selection
- Thread starter StephenZA
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StephenZA
Hall of Fame Member
Just because I don`t want to clog the NZ/SA thread
SeamUp
We have Morris/Pretorious/Parnell/Phelukwayo fighting for 2 spots as all rounders. For me it should be Morris/Phelukwayo at 7/8. Is there an opportunity to play Pretorius at 6 can`t be worse than Duminy/Behardien?
SeamUp
Reason I prefer Behardien over Duminy at the moment is he is not wasting deliveries. Duminy tends to score 8 of 15 or 20 balls getting in and then tries to launch. When Miller comes back Duminy is at 6 again, Behardien scores run a ball from the get go and either gets out or scores 25+ at greater than a run a ball. Neither of their bowling is adequate right now.
We have Morris/Pretorious/Parnell/Phelukwayo fighting for 2 spots as all rounders. For me it should be Morris/Phelukwayo at 7/8. Is there an opportunity to play Pretorius at 6 can`t be worse than Duminy/Behardien?
SeamUp
International Coach
Still not sold. Seem him struggle when up against quality bowlers (spin/seam) because his technique and defence isn't sound enough. He has also eaten up balls in innings at international level as well. JP/Farhaan aren't bad players but right now they have to be questioned.
Just a pity it's too early for guys like Jason Smith and Wiaan Mulder but in a years time who knows. Guys who can bat 5/6 and bowl seam. Whether Pretorius can do that is another story. I will be honest with you, I don't think his technique is good enough to achieve it over a decent period of time but his Sunfoil Series success surprised me. We don't know how good those Sunfoil Series batting performances really were though.
StephenZA
Hall of Fame Member
Biggest issue with the Behardien/Duminy problem is that we don`t really have anybody at 5/6 finishers in domestic at the moment (as you say Smith/Mulder maybe?)... lots of possible 1-4 players but few finishers.
What about the 3rd seamer? If you have an attack of Tahir/Rabada/Morris/Phelukwayo + who? Would you consider Philander for an immediate solution?
This right here was the problem with losing Abbott and Rillee, both would probably be in the team ? Or would quota keep them out?
SeamUp
International Coach
Rossouw and Abbott would solve so much !
Imagine if you had a Rhodes and Cronje at 5/6 - we need those sorts of players. It is a very specialised batting position in ODI's.
3rd seamer. I guess that is why they talking Vern up but not sure why didn't play for Cobras yesterday and he really isn't an option for death. Someone skiddy like Abbott would have been or even de Lange maybe ?
Dendarii
International Debutant
Where does Morris bat in domestic cricket? Could he be an option at 6? If he is then we could conceivably have Morris, Phehlukwayo and Pretorius at 6,7 and 8, followed by three bowlers - currently that would be Rabada and Tahir, and then I guess Paterson or Shamsi depending on conditions.
Although that could lead to quota problems, as having De Kock, Du Plessis, De Villiers and Miller in the batsmen means that we can only have one white bowler. So it may have to be Philander (or Parnell
) instead of Pretorius.
Although that could lead to quota problems, as having De Kock, Du Plessis, De Villiers and Miller in the batsmen means that we can only have one white bowler. So it may have to be Philander (or Parnell
) instead of Pretorius.
SeamUp
International Coach
About 7 or 8 - unfortunately 6 would be to high but there is genuine belief about his batting. It's a pity these players don't get to play more domestic cricket to work on their games.Where does Morris bat in domestic cricket? Could he be an option at 6? If he is then we could conceivably have Morris, Phehlukwayo and Pretorius at 6,7 and 8, followed by three bowlers - currently that would be Rabada and Tahir, and then I guess Paterson or Shamsi depending on conditions.
Although that could lead to quota problems, as having De Kock, Du Plessis, De Villiers and Miller in the batsmen means that we can only have one white bowler. So it may have to be Philander (or Parnell
SeamUp
International Coach
So far Wiese, Behardien , Abbott and Tahir unsold.
Rabada bought for R 10M
Only really the following who still have a chance of getting bought.
Phehlukwayo
Parnell
Ngidi
Pretorius
de Bruyn
Frylinck (after Friday night)
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StephenZA
Hall of Fame Member
You guys realize it is counter intuitive for us to hope guys like Abbott and Roussouw don`t get IPL contracts and cheer it on (other than petty and childish).... half the issue is that these guys are not secure financially, as they can`t be certain of a place in the SA side for non-cricketing reasons. If they get good IPL contracts they can ensure that they and their families future is looked after and possible hold out and be more patient regards SA.
I don`t know if it was stipulations in their English county contracts that prevented them getting IPL deals or something like that but for 2 such very good players to not get an offer is pretty silly. Maybe they just asked for to much money but considering what some of the other less talented players went for....???
I don`t know if it was stipulations in their English county contracts that prevented them getting IPL deals or something like that but for 2 such very good players to not get an offer is pretty silly. Maybe they just asked for to much money but considering what some of the other less talented players went for....???
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They ruled themselves out of intl cricket for the next four years when they were finally both certain to play lots of games in all formats thanks to various injuries and unavailibilty to established players.
For that i hope they have a very miserable four years indeed.
For that i hope they have a very miserable four years indeed.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
What about current captain Du Plessis then? He gave up on SA to go play county cricket for a while.
or De Villiers? Not playing Test cricket this year because he needs time away from the game, but happy to turn up at the IPL.
or De Villiers? Not playing Test cricket this year because he needs time away from the game, but happy to turn up at the IPL.
SeamUp
International Coach
When you put in their situation I want to see the negative comments.
They have specialised skills that last a limited amount of time. When you constantly looking over your shoulder feeling you could get dropped for matters other than merit then it is an easy decision to maximise your earning from a specialised skill that you have and worked hard to attain.
They have specialised skills that last a limited amount of time. When you constantly looking over your shoulder feeling you could get dropped for matters other than merit then it is an easy decision to maximise your earning from a specialised skill that you have and worked hard to attain.
StephenZA
Hall of Fame Member
So today against NZ is a perfect example of what we are worried about the SA team. This game was lost because SA has no reliable 5/6, meaning Duminy and Miller. Miller has gotten better, coming back from injury so will give him a break; but have no confidence in Duminy. It basically means that we have to have one of Amla QDK or Faf bat through most of the innings for us to get scores close to 300 as deVillers seems to keep pushing himself down the order foolishly.. We cannot afford to be 150 for 4, as we tend to struggle badly from that point even when batting down to 10; we have got away with it a little, with Morris, Phekluwayo getting us over the line a few times and Pretorius almost doing the job today, but that is not how you consistently win matches.
Do we have anybody that can replace Duminy/Behardien and bat at 6 to help guide the lower order batsmen? Do you think moving Faf or deVillers (since he seems reluctant to come in early) down to 6 may allow us to bring somebody like de Bruyn in at 3? or Possibly Elgar that can give a few overs of dart spin?
As far as the bowling is consider we need another strike bowler. 2 of Pretorius/Morris/Phekluwayo at 7/8; Rabada/Tahir at 10/11. Who is an extra genuine strike bowler?
Do we have anybody that can replace Duminy/Behardien and bat at 6 to help guide the lower order batsmen? Do you think moving Faf or deVillers (since he seems reluctant to come in early) down to 6 may allow us to bring somebody like de Bruyn in at 3? or Possibly Elgar that can give a few overs of dart spin?
As far as the bowling is consider we need another strike bowler. 2 of Pretorius/Morris/Phekluwayo at 7/8; Rabada/Tahir at 10/11. Who is an extra genuine strike bowler?
Faf wasn'the in the SA side at that point same with harris. Never abandoned the team as they weren't in it. Ab£ott and ros£ouw were contracted and in the squads.
I wouldn't be allowing about to do what he is doing either. You are either available for all formats and all games or you retire from the formats you don't want to play.
Dendarii
International Debutant
Just looking at who batted at 5 and 6 in the most recent round of the Momentum Cup, there don't seem to be too many alternatives.
Titans:
Rivaldo Moonsamy
Tony de Zorzi
Dolphins:
Khaya Zondo
Keshav Maharaj
Knights:
Diego Rosier
Aubrey Swanepoel
Cobras:
Dane Vilas
Jason Smith
Lions:
Nicky van den Bergh
Mangaliso Mosehle
Warriors:
Yaseen Vallie
Lesiba Ngoepe
A number of guys there without all that much experience, with the best options perhaps being Zondo and Vallie.
StephenZA
Hall of Fame Member
Jason Smith is probably our best prospect... but still inexperienced, probably start out at 7 for SA anyway. Zondo should be batting higher than he is. I personally think that Faf should be at 6, he has the game both to rotate the strike and hit a long ball when needed and does both from the word go. Its him or deVillers; but deVillers should bat at least 4. Miller needs to bat 5. That allows us to pick a top order batsmen from domestic to bat 3. de Bruyn would be my choice but Elgar could do the job as well and is a handy spin bowler.