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***Official*** Australia in India 2012/13

Daemon

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Get Ashwin on for Harbhajan, ****s going back to his useless self despite starting off well.
 

Spark

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I don't think this pitch is unplayable at all, tbh. It's so slow that if you're really decisive with your footwork you really shouldn't have too many issues but that's the thing - you can't do what Watto just did, pushing forward at a length ball.

tl;dr we're ****ed unless clarke bats for a day an a bit.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Lack of concentration doesn't help, he spent the entire tour of England playing ridiculous shots to get himself out.
That was not lack of concentration. Merely his inability to cope with the bowling/conditions and a desperate attempt to slog his way out of being made to look so inept. He has done it many times and he is not the only cricketer to do so. To suggest that those shots were a result of a lack of concentration is, strangely, both an attempt to explain away his deficiencies as a batsman as well as to run him down for not taking his responsibility and concentrating. It is neither. He just realised he was not able to cope and decided his next best option was to try and get a few with other methods.

When wickets used to be uncovered and extremely difficult batting conditions would sometimes prevail, those who could not bat like Hobbs or Sutcliffe or even Jardine, sometimes tried to hit their way out, mostly with the poor results that Dhoni got in England but in some rare cases with some spectacular quick runs.

There is a very famous name who used to do that when faced with such conditions and no one can ever blame HIM (yes he deserves the capitals) of not trying hard enough to concentrate.

His name Donald George Bradman.
 

Burgey

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That was not lack of concentration. Merely his inability to cope with the bowling/conditions and a desperate attempt to slog his way out of being made to look so inept. He has done it many times and he is not the only cricketer to do so. To suggest that those shots were a result of a lack of concentration is, strangely, both an attempt to explain away his deficiencies as a batsman as well as to run him down for not taking his responsibility and concentrating. It is neither. He just realised he was not able to cope and decided his next best option was to try and get a few with other methods.

When wickets used to be uncovered and extremely difficult batting conditions would sometimes prevail, those who could not bat like Hobbs or Sutcliffe or even Jardine, sometimes tried to hit their way out, mostly with the poor results that Dhoni got in England but in some rare cases with some spectacular quick runs.

There is a very famous name who used to do that when faced with such conditions and no one can ever blame HIM (yes he deserves the capitals) of not trying hard enough to concentrate.

His name Donald George Bradman.
Yeah, but he never had to face Nathan Lyon :ph34r:
 

Dissector

International Debutant
Ashwin has a decent chance of getting his bowling average under 30 by the end of this innings. I wonder if he can average over 40 with the bat and under 30 with the ball over his career. Has anyone done that since Aubrey Faulkner?
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
I've always been surprised at the vitriol Indian fans seem to generally have for Dhoni.
You really think so?

You have got it wrong mate. Dhoni is almost in the same place for the Indian cricket fans where Sachin used to be I said almost remember but it is still a very high pedestal indeed.
Of course Indians run down their heroes. They do it all the time and have been doing it for generations - what's new about that. But trust me Dhoni is not yet God but he is getting there.

The only people who know where a cricketer stands viz-a-viz the public are those who put the big bucks on them viz the advertisers and as far as they are concerned Dhoni overtook Sachin a few years ago.

No Dhoni does not get Vitriol from the Indian public. It is the stones the religious zealots have thrown at their Gods and their temples when the Gods have not done their bidding :o) . . . or, more often, shown themselves to be human !
 
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Prince EWS

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Ashwin has a decent chance of getting his bowling average under 30 by the end of this innings. I wonder if he can average over 40 with the bat and under 30 with the ball over his career. Has anyone done that since Aubrey Faulkner?
If Ashwin finishes his career with a Test batting average over 40 I'll eat Howe's other shoe.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
That was not lack of concentration. Merely his inability to cope with the bowling/conditions and a desperate attempt to slog his way out of being made to look so inept. He has done it many times and he is not the only cricketer to do so. To suggest that those shots were a result of a lack of concentration is, strangely, both an attempt to explain away his deficiencies as a batsman as well as to run him down for not taking his responsibility and concentrating. It is neither. He just realised he was not able to cope and decided his next best option was to try and get a few with other methods.

When wickets used to be uncovered and extremely difficult batting conditions would sometimes prevail, those who could not bat like Hobbs or Sutcliffe or even Jardine, sometimes tried to hit their way out, mostly with the poor results that Dhoni got in England but in some rare cases with some spectacular quick runs.

There is a very famous name who used to do that when faced with such conditions and no one can ever blame HIM (yes he deserves the capitals) of not trying hard enough to concentrate.

His name Donald George Bradman.
Yeah, but he never had to face Nathan Lyon :ph34r:
:laugh:
 

Daemon

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That was not lack of concentration. Merely his inability to cope with the bowling/conditions and a desperate attempt to slog his way out of being made to look so inept. He has done it many times and he is not the only cricketer to do so. To suggest that those shots were a result of a lack of concentration is, strangely, both an attempt to explain away his deficiencies as a batsman as well as to run him down for not taking his responsibility and concentrating. It is neither. He just realised he was not able to cope and decided his next best option was to try and get a few with other methods.
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From what I recall Dhoni didn't get out that way at all. He regularly poked outside the offstump edging to Prior and co and left one from Anderson that came in and took the offstump. They were all very poor shots but by no means slogs, and neither was he trying to go hard at the English bowlers to hit his way into form.

In fact the only time he did go aggressive was in the 3rd test where he actually batted well and scored two fifties.
 
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