IPL's influence on Indian Cricket

[Athlai]

How has IPL changed the way Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman and Dhoni play? How has it made Ashwin or Zaheer or Yadav a worse player?

Sounds like rubbish to me.

Is it the youngsters love of IPL that is making them play badly? Or that they might not be born Test players, maybe they need a bit of time to come good, maybe they're just ****.

The IPL was around when India won the world cup, when they got to #1 in Tests and now that they've lost a few Tests in a row all of a sudden it is seen as the cause of all the problems.

 

[Spikey]

IPL's influence on Indian Cricket

>>> Allows people to blame poor performance on that instead of maybe just the fact they ain't good enough.

 

[Days of Grace]

So Indian cricket is perhaps at the all time low point.

Knee-jerk reaction, much? Would consider the 1930s, 1940s, and the early 1960s after a 0-5 away lost to West Indies to be fairly desparate times, wouldn't you?

I remember back in 07 Mohammad Yousuf kept whining how PCB did not manage to get him an IPL contract despite promising to do so. At that time I was quite surprised because here is someone who just scored 1700 test runs the previous year, is just starting to be considered a great batsman, shouldn't his goal be to focus on scoring more test centuries and establish himself as a true great batsman rather than whining about not getting an IPL contract? The decline in his form and performance since then is for all to see. Its very subtle and players don't even notice it themselves when their drive and ambition starts lacking in intensity.

The other side of the argument is that Yousuf was getting on a bit and wanted to have his slice of the cake that he felt he earned by playing international cricket for so many years. Would have felt entitled to feel a bit stiff that some 22 year-old with 3 ODIs experience was making the millions ahead of him.

Cricketers are only human and have themselves and their families to support as well.

 

[Days of Grace]

I remember in late 2009 India were playing against Bangladesh and this is right after they became number 1..and India got bowled out for 240 in the first innings. Gambhir got out slashing at a really wide and short delivery from one of the Bangladeshi bowlers in the first innings. That is a direct effect of T20. .

Agreed with this, however. One could argue that modern professional players should be able to adjust but for youngers in particular if that style of play is mentally engrained in you then it is extremely difficult to change once you put on the whites.

 

[Vroomfondel]

The underlying problem is the quality of domestic pitches. It's boring to say, been repeated a billion times, but remains as true now as the first time it was said. IPL has nothing to do with this.

In fact, the points given to teams for 1st innings leads in Ranji has probably done more damage than IPL. It has led to home associations preparing dead tracks, and trundlers that feed off line-and-length to bore out wickets. Unless the BCCI take control of pitch curation in every state board (and it won't happen), we won't improve abroad.In any case, pitches don't improve overnight. And even if they did, players certainly wouldn't. It will take a generation of players playing on swinging/seaming tracks to improve in the long term.

The short-term alternative has always been county cricket. IPL has merely made it impossible for Indian players to play the county game. Our best international performers, Zak, Dravid, Tendulkar, have benefited from county cricket, and the younger lot will never get this opportunity because they are dry-humping models in some **** bangalore nightclub on siddharth mallya's tab.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Agreed with this, however. One could argue that modern professional players should be able to adjust but for youngers in particular if that style of play is mentally engrained in you then it is extremely difficult to change once you put on the whites.

Yes professional players should be able to adjust..but human beings are not perfect..its not always possible to make that adjustment..and in test cricket..you make one mistake, slash at the wide delivery, it triggers a collapse, you get bowled out for 220 and before you know it, you are staring at a deficit of 400 runs in the second innings and before you know it, you are 0-1 down.

How has IPL changed the way Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman and Dhoni play? How has it made Ashwin or Zaheer or Yadav a worse player?

Sounds like rubbish to me.

Is it the youngsters love of IPL that is making them play badly? Or that they might not be born Test players, maybe they need a bit of time to come good, maybe they're just ****.

The IPL was around when India won the world cup, when they got to #1 in Tests and now that they've lost a few Tests in a row all of a sudden it is seen as the cause of all the problems.

Players like Tendulkar and Dravid might not have been effected..not too sure about Kohli, Gambhir and Dhoni.

And yes India did get to number 1 in 2009 but that involved very few overseas tours. The next two years also comprise mostly of home tests so I would expect India to bounce back in the rankings pretty soon.

 

[ankitj]

I don't see how IPL's bad influence can be ruled out, one can only differ on how much that influence is.

In my view, as Black Warrior said, there is a huge attitude thing when you become stars while playing T20s. Do you have that much patience anymore to dig it in and play a hard fought innings like Dravid does? Gambhir, Kohli, Dhoni etc are obviously not showing that sort of patience (Tendulkar/Dravid are different obviously; they started by playing more conventional cricket).

Besides, there is the issue of how much mental bandwidth a tournament like IPL takes away. Once they return all scarred from the Aussie tour, they will soon enough be getting set for the IPL. They will again become stars, win awards and accolades. After the IPL is over, will they again go back to correcting their techniques? It would be a distant memory by then.

And then, there will be those who will play through their injuries and make it worse for themselves. So much cricket of so many different types, without taking sufficient breaks and taking sufficient time to prepare for important tours will take a toll on cricketers, it already is.

 

[ankitj]

IPL's influence on Indian Cricket

>>> Allows people to blame poor performance on that instead of maybe just the fact they ain't good enough.

I don't know what you mean. They (aging old timers as well as the youngsters) are not good enough obviously; that's why you lose matches, nothing else. But what's the harm in asking why they are not good enough?

 

[ankitj]

While we are at it, IPL5 is going to be even longer - IPL 5 to get underway from April 4 - The Times of India. Each team plays 16 matches in the league round compared to 13 last year and 14 before that. Need of the hour, I say!

The comments in the article echo my sentiment on the issue, so I am guessing most cricket fans in India are sick of IPL.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah, when I went there this year no one seemed to care about the IPL anymore. Basically people just go to a match when it comes to their city for an entertaining way to spend the evening, forget all about it and all other matches for the following days. Then they only put their heads up when they read in the papers that Gayle scored a hundred of 30 balls or Malinga took a hattrick, then proceed to not give a **** again until the finals. It's a huge drag.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Besides, there is the issue of how much mental bandwidth a tournament like IPL takes away. Once they return all scarred from the Aussie tour, they will soon enough be getting set for the IPL. They will again become stars, win awards and accolades. After the IPL is over, will they again go back to correcting their techniques? It would be a distant memory by then.

Very good point.

 

[Daemon]

i don't see how ipl's bad influence can be ruled out, one can only differ on how much that influence is.

Besides, there is the issue of how much mental bandwidth a tournament like ipl takes away. Once they return all scarred from the aussie tour, they will soon enough be getting set for the ipl. They will again become stars, win awards and accolades. After the ipl is over, will they again go back to correcting their techniques? It would be a distant memory by then.

And then, there will be those who will play through their injuries and make it worse for themselves. So much cricket of so many different types, without taking sufficient breaks and taking sufficient time to prepare for important tours will take a toll on cricketers, it already is.

awta.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Yeah, when I went there this year no one seemed to care about the IPL anymore. Basically people just go to a match when it comes to their city for an entertaining way to spend the evening, forget all about it and all other matches for the following days. Then they only put their heads up when they read in the papers that Gayle scored a hundred of 30 balls or Malinga took a hattrick, then proceed to not give a **** again until the finals. It's a huge drag.

Yeah, that's pretty much spot on. The target audience doesn't care much now. The players obviously love it for the quick money they can make. Dhoni used to complain about player workloads. He's shut up now after it was suggested (implied, rather) that he was only too welcome to take a break during the IPL.

 

[Xuhaib]

Yeah, that's pretty much spot on. The target audience doesn't care much now. The players obviously love it for the quick money they can make. Dhoni used to complain about player workloads. He's shut up now after it was suggested (implied, rather) that he was only too welcome to take a break during the IPL.

if thats the case then the quick money should also be evaporating pretty soon.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Yeah, that's pretty much spot on. The target audience doesn't care much now. The players obviously love it for the quick money they can make. Dhoni used to complain about player workloads. He's shut up now after it was suggested (implied, rather) that he was only too welcome to take a break during the IPL.

If that is truly the case Hoe, your days of having a part time job as a cheerleader are over.

 

[smash84]

While we are at it, IPL5 is going to be even longer - IPL 5 to get underway from April 4 - The Times of India. Each team plays 16 matches in the league round compared to 13 last year and 14 before that. Need of the hour, I say!

The comments in the article echo my sentiment on the issue, so I am guessing most cricket fans in India are sick of IPL.

The comments are scathing

 

[G.I.Joe]

if thats the case then the quick money should also be evaporating pretty soon.

The telecast rights for the next 10 years were sold in 2008 IIRC. I don't understand the economics of it, but I'm guessing the BCCI has nothing to lose.

 

[honestbharani]

I don't think the IPL is bad at all. It is the fact that players are playing (either being forced or by themselves) them when they are injured/need rest etc. that gets on me all the time. Just play only if you are fit, dammit..

 

[Black_Warrior]

I don't think the IPL is bad at all. It is the fact that players are playing (either being forced or by themselves) them when they are injured/need rest etc. that gets on me all the time. Just play only if you are fit, dammit..

Bur sir that's the thing...if you don't play, you dont get paid..and no one wants that..so they play even when half fit. The amount of money is too big to let it go..
And I don't mean to be moralistic about this. I would go to work even if I was sick if they were paying me something like $500 per hour.

 

[Athlai]

They do get paid a small percentage if they miss a game actually. But yeah they want the big bucks so they play anyway.