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smash84

The Tiger King
I haven't watched Bradman bat and i don't pick anyone based on their stats..
Aaron.....An interesting criteria I should say. What does this mean? That if you had watched only a handful of school boys playing cricket then you would have picked them up over international cricketers since those school boys were the only ones you ever saw playing?

And stats don't tell the whole story but they do tell some of it.
 

NUFAN

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Yeah it's an awesome middle order! Chappell just got squeezed out due to kallis bowling. I went for sehwag for his brilliant ability to make big scores fast, I wasn't comfortable picking a guy who only played 4 tests.

EDIT - re: himanv's earlier response to my 2 teams
 
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Daemon

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If you pick Murali, I'm guessing Sanga has to be picked alongside as well, since others may have trouble keeping against him.
 

Debris

International 12th Man
none taken.. i just wonder what makes a batting line up that is consist of Sanga, Sachin, Lara, Inzi and Sobers and a bowling line up consist of Wasim, ambros, imran and Murali who actually played at their peak worse than any other XI?




I didn't know i had to pick players from each side.. personally i never found any England players exciting and impressive enough over the years.. The XI that i picked are consist of players who not only played the game but also dominated it..and i thought most England players in the past lacked that dominance..

I picked kallis from SA but he can't be as good as those batsman that i have named to make the final XI.. same goes with Warne and Mcgrath.. they were never as good as Murali and Wasim akram..

I would like to say that i found Mcgrath's bowling a bit boring and predictable simply because mostly he bowled the same line and kept it the same while wasim had veriaty..It was interesting to watch wasim bowling simply because it made you guesing on what he is going to bowle next..
It is your opinion, I guess. I was just curious as to whether you were deliberately excluding certain countries or it just ended up that way, particularly as you were excluding the ones with the better winning records over history. One of the main criteria I look for when choosing an alt-time great would be that your presence makes your side a winning one (regardless of conditions) and so I would mostly be looking for players from sides with winning records.

I can't help but get the feeling that you are just picking players you like rather than objectively picking the best players. I don't think that you can pick a best all-time 11 really but if I had to mine would go something like

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Tendulkar
G Pollock
Miandad
Gilchrist
Imran Khan
Shane Warne
Malcolm Marshall
G McGrath

Murali as 12th and replacing either Marshall or McGrath if wicket was spin-friendly.
 

pasag

RTDAS
I haven't watched Bradman bat and i don't pick anyone based on their stats.. plus there is alot of ifs and buts involved with Bradman.. he played all of his cricket in England and Aus.. that means his record may have been different if he would have played somewhere else.. also we would never know how he would play against pakistan who historical have always had a strong bowling line up..

I picked Sanga simply because i think he is a better keeper and batsman than Gilly.. Sanga haven't been keeping wicket in test much.. but the fact that he has played and has done a fab job while playing and keeping for Murali makes him a better option than Gilly.. Gilly mostly kept for Warne who didn't swing the bowle as much as Murali.. not to forget Murali's Doosra could have make things further worse for gilly if he was to keep for him... So i am going for a better option.. not to forget, Sanga can bat at number 3 where he bats usually and has an average of over 50..

I could have picked Marshal, Kapil, Walsh, Holding, Lalie, Mcgrath and afew other bowlers over Wasim.. but I picked Wasim simply because he was one of the most interesting bowler i have watched.. the way he bowled.. his tricky short run up and his ability to swing the bowle and bowle six different deliveries in an over made him better than anyone else in my opinion.. He would keep you interested and guessing about what he would bowle next.. he could swing the bowle both ways.. reversing it better than anyone else in the history of cricket..

you go through all those batsman that are there on the same catagary as Inzi.. if you look at them they all had genion batsman who supported them.. some of them even had far superior openners who gave them a perfect start.. Inzi batted alone through most of his career.. he had that fearless style that could take the game away from any team during any situation.. he has played most innings under pressure than any of those batsman on that list and he has done pretty well ending with average of 50 while playing for pakistan..

My ODI and Test matches are not complete without Sachin and Lara.. so I don't want to even state why i would go with these great batsman over anyone else..
Calling into question how much you've seen of Sobers. You know it's a valid argument not wanting to select Bradman because you haven't seen him, but then at least stay consistent.

Also according to your logic of not having played against Pakistan, well that's Inzi out of your team then...

The Sanga argument is bizarre. He might be a better batsmen, he might be a better keeper then Gilly. He is not a better keeper-batsmen then Gilly however, and that's the position you're selecting him for.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Also a minor point, but if you don't want to pick anyone you haven't seen play, then call your XI the "Best XI I've seen" or the "Best XI of the Modern Era." Otherwise you imply that the players you selected are better then anyone else that has come before, and we don't want to judge anyone we didn't see play, remember......
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Just did mine; ended up with this:

1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Bradman
4. Headley
5. Hammond
6. Sobers
7. Gilchrist
8. Imran
9. Marshall
10. Warne
11. Barnes

Top four, Sobers, Gilchrist and Imran are settled for me, but the other four spots (went with Hammond, Marshall, Warne, Barnes this time around) are real lotteries for me and could've ended up completely different players on another day. Interestingly enough I've only seen two of them play (old highlights excluded obv).
 
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Teja.

Global Moderator
Just did mine; ended up with this:

1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Headley
4. Bradman
5. Hammond
6. Sobers
7. Gilchrist
8. Imran
9. Marshall
10. Warne
11. Barnes

Top four, Sobers, Gilchrist and Imran are settled for me, but the other four spots (went with Hammond, Marshall, Warne, Barnes this time around) are real lotteries for me and could've ended up completely different players on another day. Interestingly enough I've only seen two of them play (old highlights excluded obv).
I'm interested in knowing if, without the Cricinfo limitations, You'd pick Kallis over Hammond?
 

smash84

The Tiger King
Just did mine; ended up with this:

1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Headley
4. Bradman
5. Hammond
6. Sobers
7. Gilchrist
8. Imran
9. Marshall
10. Warne
11. Barnes

Top four, Sobers, Gilchrist and Imran are settled for me, but the other four spots (went with Hammond, Marshall, Warne, Barnes this time around) are real lotteries for me and could've ended up completely different players on another day. Interestingly enough I've only seen two of them play (old highlights excluded obv).
Excellent team. Quite similar to mine. Only that I had Greame Pollock in place Hammond and Richards in place of Headley. Also instead of Barnes I had Lillee in my team. Fantastic team still.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I'm interested in knowing if, without the Cricinfo limitations, You'd pick Kallis over Hammond?
Cricinfo has Kallis in as a specialist batsman, so I could've done that. On another day I probably would've too; Kallis is one of my favourite ever cricketers and certainly my favourite cricketer that could be in contention for something like this. I rate Hammond as the marginally better batsman though and even though Kallis's bowling would strengthen the team it wouldn't add that much with a decent fifth bowler already present, and I wasn't feeling in a particularly biased mood. :p
 
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andyc

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Just did mine; ended up with this:

1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Headley
4. Bradman
5. Hammond
6. Sobers
7. Gilchrist
8. Imran
9. Marshall
10. Warne
11. Barnes

Top four, Sobers, Gilchrist and Imran are settled for me, but the other four spots (went with Hammond, Marshall, Warne, Barnes this time around) are real lotteries for me and could've ended up completely different players on another day. Interestingly enough I've only seen two of them play (old highlights excluded obv).
Any reason you've got Headley at 3 and not Bradman?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Any reason you've got Headley at 3 and not Bradman?
In a word, no. :p

I knew Bradman's preferred spot was three but I thought that (unlike Headley) he'd batted a decent bit at four too. Only eight innings though apparently and he averaged just 50, so I'll swap them.
 

Daemon

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In a word, no. :p

I knew Bradman's preferred spot was three but I thought that (unlike Headley) he'd batted a decent bit at four too. Only eight innings though apparently and he averaged just 50, so I'll swap them.
:laugh:
 

andyc

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
In a word, no. :p

I knew Bradman's preferred spot was three but I thought that (unlike Headley) he'd batted a decent bit at four too. Only eight innings though apparently and he averaged just 50, so I'll swap them.
Haha, here I was thinking you had some deep reasoning behind it. Should've known better.


My XI ftr:

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Headley
Hammond
Sobers
Gilchrist
Imran
Marshall
Muralitharan
McGrath

Really wanted to have Sachin somewhere in that middle order, but Headley and Hammond both have pretty awesome records so it made it tough. McGrath possibly a bit contentious with so many other greats to choose from, but he gets in because I :wub: him.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
Haha well I did actually have a reason for it, but what I based that reason on turned out to be entirely my imagination. :p
By the way who gets to captain this world XI? Does it have to be the best player in the team or the guy who captained the side best?

As far as the best player is concerned its Bradman. The best captain though was Imran.

So who gets the vote? Bradman or Imran?
 

bagapath

International Captain
As far as the best player is concerned its Bradman. The best captain though was Imran.
not necessarily. bradman was as good a captain as anybody in the history of the game. his batting order reversal strategy to handle a sticky wicket was the stuff of legends. and he is the only captain to have led a team to a series win in a five test series after losing the first two matches like he did against SA in 1936. and, of course, the 1948 tour of england posed every possible test a captain might have to face in his entire career in terms of game strategy, man management and political diplomacy, and bradman passed all of them in flying colors. imran was a superb captain but he is not assured of a place in everyone's all time xi. bradman is. he should be the captain.
 
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smash84

The Tiger King
not necessarily. bradman was as good a captain as anybody in the history of the game. his batting order reversal strategy to handle a sticky wicket was the stuff of legends. and he is the only captain to have led a team to a series win in a five test series after losing the first two matches like he did against SA in 1936. and, of course, the 1948 tour of england posed every possible test a captain might have to face in his entire career in terms of game strategy, man management and political diplomacy, and bradman passed all of them in flying colors. imran was a superb captain but he is not assured of a place in everyone's all time xi. bradman is. he should be the captain.
True....

But Bagpath don't you think that in terms of man management and political diplomacy there are few positions as tricky as the Pakistan captaincy and Imran was a master there?
 

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