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Was below the average performance for him in that period of time, statisticallyYou don't think Flintoff's performance in 05 was a once in a blue moon performance?
Was below the average performance for him in that period of time, statisticallyYou don't think Flintoff's performance in 05 was a once in a blue moon performance?
Hayden and Gilchrist were worked-out by bowling they never had the power, all career, to counter in that series; Clarke at that point simply wasn't good enough to play Test cricket, only becoming so a year later (that too was demonstrated against other sides before and after), Martyn didn't really underperform just got unlucky with Umpiring decisions and was made to look moderate by some excellent bowling. Katich was rather worked-out too, and Kasprowicz, well, he wasn't good enough any more by then, that'd been shown by his performances in New Zealand and was re-emphasised when he got back in against South Africa. Lee had never been anywhere near good enough and bowled in that series exactly as he had been doing since the 2001 tour, and got the same sort of results.Uh Kasper, Hayden, Martyn, Katich, Clarke and Gilchrist all drastically underperformed as well. Not to mention Lee, who was just woeful (interspersed with moments of brilliance) and all of the wickets Aus took off no balls. Really the only three Aussies not to underperform in the series was Langer, Ponting and Warne - and Ponting is arguable in all but one test.
To say that only Gillespie really underperformed is really to undervalue the absolute domination that the Australian side had up to that point. Noone else was really in the same ballpark at the time. Though it pains me incredibly to say it, England did outplay Australia. However, they played an Australia who were underprepared and were very much underperforming.
Personally I thought it was reasonable enough that they should test to see whether he got through a full season without injury, and sure enough, he didn't.He did play in 08 season, should have selected him in SA series. Selectors thought he should get more games under his belt, and can be unleashed in 09 but he got injured at the end of 08.
You remember incorrectly, same way McNamara did when he brought that up last time in reply to my exact same point.Or S Jones was dead lbw to Lee before he and Flintoff put on those crucial runs (iirc).
And yet... they then thrashed Bangladesh twice (as England did 3 times) and beat England 3-2 (which would've been 5-2 but for rain and a tie). The ODIs pointed to Australia doing well enough - the defeat to Bangladesh was nothing more than an embarrassing minor setback.Interestingly we lost to Bangladesh in an ODI just before the Ashes. The wheels were already falling off.
The way I remember it, most of them did not so much underperform, but rather were pwned by a well-prepared, in-form and peaking England team.Uh Kasper, Hayden, Martyn, Katich, Clarke and Gilchrist all drastically underperformed as well.
No doubt those three were doing great. Warne possibly had his best series ever, which might make the English series win even taste sweeter.Really the only three Aussies not to underperform in the series was Langer, Ponting and Warne - and Ponting is arguable in all but one test.
This can never be quoted but i was gobsmacked when i saw that over. I have watched that over many many times on youtube afterAnd about Ponting and Langer: That Flintoff over where he got both of them. That's when my attitude changed from a neutral to an English supporter (for that series).
Sorry but it had to be done, especially given you having the audacity to roll your eyes at me earlierThis can never be quoted but i was gobsmacked when i saw that over. I have watched that over many many times on youtube after
Had good reasonSorry but it had to be done, especially given you having the audacity to roll your eyes at me earlier
Absolutely beyond doubt. The knowledge that you've won a series in spite rather than because of the oppo's star player's performances is an infinitely preferable thought to the contrariwise one.Warne possibly had his best series ever, which might make the English series win even taste sweeter.
Gotta agree with this. As I said... 09 had more to do with us being ****tier than being soundly beaten by a superior team playing superior cricket. MJ... please, forget about swing.Absolutely beyond doubt. The knowledge that you've won a series in spite rather than because of the oppo's star player's performances is an infinitely preferable thought to the contrariwise one.
Yeah, much worse than 2005 in my opinion. In 2005 England played really well.'09 stings pretty bad tbh.
yeah, wtf?Thanks for spoiling Shutter Island Ikkii