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Test cricket under lights?

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Didn't exactly work well during the SA series (they mentioned the spraying of the ground which was meant to inhibit the buildup but there was still substantial dew there). Not good enough imo. Would hate to see half a Test match with bowlers struggling to even grip the ball.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
eh? That's ridiculous. You do proper testing first, like any product. I reckon I've been pushing for this more than anyone on the forum but introducing it before it's ready could lead to a disaster and potentially killing all support for the idea within cricket admin circles.
Oh yea, I didn't mean introduce it at the highest level first. I meant start holding a few FC tourneys under lights.
 

Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
I would like to see Tests untouched. They still are very interesting as it is....just need to make some "just" pitches.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Think Faisal's nailed it there. Pitches are the biggest problem wrt to Test matches and the need for TV companies to have a full 5 days to broadcast. Very tricky situation to get around.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Think Faisal's nailed it there. Pitches are the biggest problem wrt to Test matches and the need for TV companies to have a full 5 days to broadcast. Very tricky situation to get around.
I would presume the TV audience for a sports event at 7pm on a weeknight is bigger than at noon on the same day.

Sport IMO just looks better when it's played under lights. It's why the European fooball is so special. It's why the IPL should be almost exclusively played at night.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
No need because crowds are fine but it would still be awesome for the average cricket fan
Oh, it certainly would - but there's no point doing something which will potentially damage the calibre of the game, and even if it doesn't, will dilute the purity of what is generally regarded as the purest form of the game, purely for the sake of making it cosmetically look a bit more exciting.

If it won't up viewing, don't do it, IMO.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
It better happen, and soon. Don't see why they can't use a red ball like they do in day test matches.
anyone remember NZ vs England at Eden Park in 2002? Was great fun but the players in the field had a bloody hard time seeing the ball against a dark sky.
Remember it well indeed. It was in some respects really, really interesting, but it was potentially dangerous and certainly needlessly disadvantageous toward the fielding side. Remember particularly the instance where someone - might've been Lou Vincent - skied an attempted pull to long-leg and Usman Afzaal saw it one moment and didn't the next. Just literally lost it completely and all thoughts turned to self-protection.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Think Faisal's nailed it there. Pitches are the biggest problem wrt to Test matches and the need for TV companies to have a full 5 days to broadcast. Very tricky situation to get around.
Said it many times, but balls a bigger problem than pitches IMO. A ball that swings consistently is more useful to good bowlers than a green pitch - obviously, the two combined is the best-case scenario.

Either way, you're right that the need for balance between bat and ball and the need for five days' play for the TV companies - who whether anyone likes it or not are the lifeblood of the game - is the most difficult issue, and one which has no obvious solution.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Test cricket will struggle to survive without support from the subcontinent, particularly India.

The crowds at Kolkata recently were extremely encouraging, however Tests need to be made more watchable in India.

If that means moving the start of play to late afternoon, so that your average Indian can finish work and pop along to watch a session or 2 of cricket, at a time of day where it is more comfortable to do so, then it needs to happen.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
It will up viewing IMO as more people are free during evenings. And it will offer a new challenge and dimension - to adapt to playing in lights.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Oh, it certainly would - but there's no point doing something which will potentially damage the calibre of the game, and even if it doesn't, will dilute the purity of what is generally regarded as the purest form of the game, purely for the sake of making it cosmetically look a bit more exciting.

If it won't up viewing, don't do it, IMO.
How does starting at 7pm dilute the purity of the game? :huh:
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
It will up viewing IMO as more people are free during evenings. And it will offer a new challenge and dimension - to adapt to playing in lights.
It'll up viewing as well because a full house at Kolkata under lights is far more watchable than playing in front of some random empty concrete bowl.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Taking away the ball issue and dew issue, why is test cricket under lights not 'pure'? Its different sure, but so was bringing in the ropes for boundaries, or introducing helmets etc.

I understand and appreciate the arguments regarding dew and ball issues. But hypothetically, if they were sorted out, and it was all fine, and it did increase viewership and attendances (biggest argument for it, people work FFS!) would people still be objecting to day/night test cricket?

Cricket is one of the few sports that are consistently on during work hours. Crazy.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
3.30 PM is the perfect time to start test cricket IMO. South African and English tests start at that time here in India and I have watched some great battles over the years. I have missed most of India home tests in the last 5 years or so because of being more involved with work during the day.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Exactly, you wouldn't schedule an SPL or EPL football match for 3pm on a Wednesday, there's a reason why football matches played during the week start at 7:45 in the UK.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Test cricket will struggle to survive without support from the subcontinent, particularly India.

The crowds at Kolkata recently were extremely encouraging, however Tests need to be made more watchable in India.

If that means moving the start of play to late afternoon, so that your average Indian can finish work and pop along to watch a session or 2 of cricket, at a time of day where it is more comfortable to do so, then it needs to happen.
From the sounds of what's written by the more knowledgeable Indian posters, watchability at the ground has far, far less to do with start time and far more to do with little effort being made to cater for what could in honesty be catered for without tremendous expense or effort.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
How does starting at 7pm dilute the purity of the game? :huh:
Test cricket has always been a day game. It's not a dilution of true terribleness as, for instance, putting field restrictions in or allowing players to question the Umpire's decision. But it's still something that, if the choice is between do it and don't do it with all else equal, the choice is "don't" rather than "doesn't matter".
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Taking away the ball issue and dew issue, why is test cricket under lights not 'pure'? Its different sure, but so was bringing in the ropes for boundaries, or introducing helmets etc.
Bringing in boundary ropes, same as playing on ****ing ridiculously small grounds, has always been a terrible idea and something Test cricket is infinitely best-off without.

Helmets is a rather different matter.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Test cricket has always been a day game. It's not a dilution of true terribleness as, for instance, putting field restrictions in or allowing players to question the Umpire's decision. But it's still something that, if the choice is between do it and don't do it with all else equal, the choice is "don't" rather than "doesn't matter".
That's circular logic. That could be used to disallow helmets, or covered pitches, or a black player as captain of West Indies cricket team for that matter.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Oh, it certainly would - but there's no point doing something which will potentially damage the calibre of the game, and even if it doesn't, will dilute the purity of what is generally regarded as the purest form of the game, purely for the sake of making it cosmetically look a bit more exciting.

If it won't up viewing, don't do it, IMO.
It would up TV viewing.

Would also result in me drinking a lot more tbh
 

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