Trouble in the English camp : Pietersen Vs Moores!?

[superkingdave]

I expect Pietersen gave a thought to skipping the Windies tour and playing the full 6-week IPL schedule, but a) He'd still need the ECB to sign off on it, which they obviously wouldn't and b) He knows that ultimately he is in a position to earn the big bucks in the IPL because of his success with England over the last 4 years. I don't think he'd be anywhere near as desirable to a franchise owner if he was in a Boycott-esque exile from international cricket.

I think he must have also realised the IPL season doesn't start until April 10 when England players are available anyway regardless of the Carribean tour. Its after April 25 when England players are scheduled to leave the IPL.

 

[Woodster]

Think it's easy now for everyone to suggest his captaincy was tactically inept, but the guy was basically learning on the job, and would no doubt have improved his decision making the more experience he gained, his reading of a game would naturally have improved also.

 

[pskov]

I think he must have also realised the IPL season doesn't start until April 10 when England players are available anyway regardless of the Carribean tour. Its after April 25 when England players are scheduled to leave the IPL.

Sorry, I should have made it more clear that I meant withdraw from the tour and ipso facto his England career.

 

[Richard]

"Pietersen was forced to relinquish his post when an ECB report conducted by the director of cricket, Hugh Morris, made it clear that several senior members of the England dressing-room - among them Andrew Flintoff and the new captain, Andrew Strauss - did not support his actions.

Strauss is surprising. But I suppose, encouraging, in that he was a huge Duncan Fletcher man but still wasn't happy to see Pietersen treating Peter Moores so poorly.

 

[pskov]

Strauss' press conference was quite interesting to watch. He seemed to give some very authoritarian answers about him having strong views about the way the team should be run and how there is now a clean slate for him to build the team in his way. I got the impression that he was gunning for a more traditional primacy of the captain structure, which is a bit odd if that is the case seeing as the ECB have just sacked KP for trying to effect that same circumstance. Of course it could all be bluster for the press to gobble up, but then on what other basis has this whole episode unfolded anyway?

 

[BoyBrumby]

As someone said on Sky News last night, if you really really want a job or want to retain your job, you don't go around issuing ultimatums. I question whether Pietersen, deep deep down, really wanted to retain the job.

I personally think he did; it's no state secret he has a monsterous ego and it would've doubtless flattered it to be asked. There is a possibility tho that after a few days cricket he's found himself a bit short tactically. The very fact he pushed so hard for MPV's inclusion in the Windies squad when it couldn't really be justified on form suggests he craved other input.

However I don't think he's engineered his own downfall, or not consciously, anyway. Pietersen has suffered a very public humiliation and, even allowing for his elphantine skin, it must be a bit galling to know your team mates aren't prepared to back you on something like this.

ECB "sources" have a lot to answer for in this whole sordid little affair, actually. First they leaked that Pietersen was demanding Moores's removal and now have let it slip that Flintoff and his clique didn't back him. On the one hand there's a lot of media hurrumphing about Pietersen attempting to engineer his coach's exit, but next to none about the suggestion that another senior player can effectively ease his skipper out. That may be an oversimplification, but the suggestion seems to be that if Fred had supported KP he'd still be captain today.

 

[Richard]

ECB "sources" have a lot to answer for in this whole sordid little affair, actually. First they leaked that Pietersen was demanding Moores's removal

Erm... did they?

 

[superkingdave]

Erm... did they?

well they said he refused to tour the west indies under 'the current management structure'

 

[Richard]

But by that time, Pietersen had already leaked just about all he had to say on the matter, no?

 

[silentstriker]

Pietersen sets of IPL frenzy

 

[superkingdave]

But by that time, Pietersen had already leaked just about all he had to say on the matter, no?

as in? The article he wrote in the sunday newspaper was approved by the ECB prior to publication. What comments did Pietersen make about demanding Moores withdrawal?

 

[BoyBrumby]

as in? The article he wrote in the sunday newspaper was approved by the ECB prior to publication. What comments did Pietersen make about demanding Moores withdrawal?

Pietersen also specifically denied leaking any stories about him wanting rid of Moores or anyone else,

"At no time, contrary to press speculation, have I released any unauthorised information to the media regarding my relationships with the players, coaches and the ECB itself."

He could be lying, of course, but the ECB hasn't seen fit to contradict him.

 

[Richard]

as in? The article he wrote in the sunday newspaper was approved by the ECB prior to publication. What comments did Pietersen make about demanding Moores withdrawal?

I'm not 100% sure, I haven't read every article in every paper. However, the impression I got was that Pietersen had written something \ spoken to someone and made it very clear that he wanted Moores out. Certainly, it was common knowledge that he did long before the ECB said anything.

 

[GIMH]

It was common knowledge, but it wasn't KP who made it so

 

[Richard]

Who did then? The ECB's first statement on the matter came after it became common knowledge, no?

 

[GIMH]

It just leaked as a rumour in the Daily Mail IIRC

 

[Richard]

Daily Mail journos aren't mind-readers or Animagi though. Someone, somewhere must've told someone something.

Though it could be one of those ubiquitous "unnamed sources" I suppose.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, for sure, doubt it would have been KP though

 

[honestbharani]

Daily Mail journos aren't mind-readers or Animagi though. Someone, somewhere must've told someone something.

Though it could be one of those ubiquitous "unnamed sources" I suppose.

which is what BB said in his initial post.. It doesn't seem to have been KP.. So must have quite obviously been one of those "sources" from the ECB...

 

[biased indian]

Pietersen sets of IPL frenzy

From the article

Notwithstanding my resignation as England captain, I still fully intend to be a part of both England's Test and ODI squad to tour the West Indies next month and to do all I can to recapture the Ashes during the summer," Pietersen said

does he want to skip the WI tour of Eng for IPL....no mention of that as mentioned in it