Trouble in the English camp : Pietersen Vs Moores!?

[susudear]

Am afraid

What odds on a Pietersen u-turn, folk?

Not till the end of next series.

 

[Goughy]

Selecting someone in the ODI side merely because they're the Test captain would be wrong IMO, but depriving someone of the Test captaincy merely because they aren't in the ODI side would be wrong on so many more levels.

It's not even that I think Strauss would be so much worse than the other top order batsmen England pick in ODIs that makes me so much against his ODI selection; it's the fact that playing ODIs seems to have a negative impact on his Test game. Hopefully, if he is given captaincy in both formats, he can successfully juggle the captaincy and separate his ODI game from his Test game. Given he couldn't do the latter even without the captaincy, though, it doesn't seem likely to me.

Flintoff hasn't got too much of a mention so far but as much as I think it'd be a bad move, it wouldn't shock me that much if he got the gig.

Strauss would do fine in the OD side.

 

[Manee]

Say NO to Key

Indeed, a man from colfes captaining England is madness.

 

[Richard]

No way is Fletcher and Vaughan coming back a good idea. You can't just go backwards and hope things are the same as they were.

I'm not big on this "going backwards" stuff. Duncan Fletcher is a good coach, there's no viable reason for him not to get the job just because he's had it before. Forcing Duncan Fletcher out - whoever was responsible, and currently I blame The Press - was a mistake and England would do best to have him back, even if at first only on a short-term basis.

The only reason against Vaughan getting the captaincy is, obviously, the reason he's not in the squad - his recent batting isn't good enough.

No, I'm happy with Strauss as Test captain.

 

[GIMH]

Fletcher went at the right time. All good things must end, his heart was no longer in it.

 

[four_or_six]

I'm not big on this "going backwards" stuff. Duncan Fletcher is a good coach, there's no viable reason for him not to get the job just because he's had it before. Forcing Duncan Fletcher out - whoever was responsible, and currently I blame The Press - was a mistake and England would do best to have him back, even if at first only on a short-term basis.

The only reason against Vaughan getting the captaincy is, obviously, the reason he's not in the squad - his recent batting isn't good enough.

No, I'm happy with Strauss as Test captain.

I think, in any job, you get to a point where you need a fresh point of view. Fletcher had kind of run his course really.

 

[GIMH]

Yep

 

[Richard]

Fletcher went at the right time. All good things must end, his heart was no longer in it.

It was though. He said as much - he'd have liked to carry on. The only reason he stepped down was because he knew he'd be being replaced if he didn't - The Press had made-up their mind that he had to go. Good things don't have to come to an end if you let them keep happening. There was no really good reason for him to leave the post other than that he'd finally made a selectorial error too many for The Press' liking.

He was and remains excellent at the role of overseeing matters in a cricket team and man-management. Peter Moores, quite clearly, lacks in this area.

 

[Jamee999]

Nah, the "or" only refers to the "core nationality criteria" part (ie. Section A). If you fail the "restrictions" part, you're ineligible.

Yeah, but he wouldn't have to live in SAfrica for those 4 years. I'm being a pedant.

 

[ozone]

Although I personally think Fletcher went too early, I think going back to him would be too big a jump backwards. I would be quite happy for the side to go to the West Indies without a head coach, but with a team manager. It would be a good chance to see whether they need a head coach, or if the specialists (such as Flower) suffice as far as coaches go.

 

[Richard]

I think, in any job, you get to a point where you need a fresh point of view. Fletcher had kind of run his course really.

Yeah, this "fresh" POV turned-out great, didn't it?

"Fresh" and "stale" is more of a theoretical ideal that people use to convince themselves that things can get better when there's nothing that really suggests such a thing, in my experience.

 

[Durham_CCC]

Hussain/Atherton would do for me, both talk a very good game & IMO would help the team a great deal.

Strauss for captain with possibly Fred as ODI captain.

 

[Richard]

I would be quite happy for the side to go to the West Indies without a head coach, but with a team manager. It would be a good chance to see whether they need a head coach, or if the specialists (such as Flower) suffice as far as coaches go.

Yeah, Michael Atherton thinks the same and I must say so do I. This whole "head coach" thing is a bit of an outdated-ism now for mine - specialists at batting, bowling and above all, fielding are vital now, and what's needed is (as John Buchanan put it) a "head of the family" figure.

Michael Brearley would be my choice for this if he'd be keen on it TBH, as I said somewhere. I don't know about his knowledge of specifics, but I do know he's a brilliant tactician and a brilliant man-manager. If not Brearley, those two things (tactics and man-management) would be the requirements in the role, rather than technical expertise which I'd leave to the specialist coaches.

 

[four_or_six]

Yeah, this "fresh" POV turned-out great, didn't it?

"Fresh" and "stale" is more of a theoretical ideal that people use to convince themselves that things can get better when there's nothing that really suggests such a thing, in my experience.

That's not necessarily true, in a job that requires innovation. Which this one would, I think. Also, with the travelling and pressure associated with the job, I think five years is long enough to reasonably expect anyone to do it.

I'm not saying they picked the best candidate, anyway.

 

[ozone]

Yeah, Michael Atherton thinks the same and I must say so do I. This whole "head coach" thing is a bit of an outdated-ism now for mine - specialists at batting, bowling and above all, fielding are vital now, and what's needed is (as John Buchanan put it) a "head of the family" figure.

Michael Brearley would be my choice for this if he'd be keen on it TBH, as I said somewhere. I don't know about his knowledge of specifics, but I do know he's a brilliant tactician and a brilliant man-manager. If not Brearley, those two things (tactics and man-management) would be the requirements in the role, rather than technical expertise which I'd leave to the specialist coaches.

Having Brealey involved would be fantastic, but I honestly can't see it happening. If it was to be someone from that generation, think its most likely to be Gooch TBH.

To put someone forward who is probably a more likely candidate (and I know his names being thrown around a lot), I would see nothing wrong with Ashley Giles being put in as Team Manager. I would not have much faith in him as a Coach, but as a man manager, capable of making tough decisions, I think he would do a decent job. Also read somewhere that Warwickshire were making emergency plans to appoint a new Director of Cricket if needed, so think he may have some role to play on the tour.

 

[susudear]

Aye

Yeah, Michael Atherton thinks the same and I must say so do I. This whole "head coach" thing is a bit of an outdated-ism now for mine - specialists at batting, bowling and above all, fielding are vital now, and what's needed is (as John Buchanan put it) a "head of the family" figure.

Michael Brearley would be my choice for this if he'd be keen on it TBH, as I said somewhere. I don't know about his knowledge of specifics, but I do know he's a brilliant tactician and a brilliant man-manager. If not Brearley, those two things (tactics and man-management) would be the requirements in the role, rather than technical expertise which I'd leave to the specialist coaches.

Brearley would be the best dose of confidence to this team.

 

[wpdavid]

I would be quite happy for the side to go to the West Indies without a head coach, but with a team manager. It would be a good chance to see whether they need a head coach, or if the specialists (such as Flower) suffice as far as coaches go.

Me too. If there is a good candidate for the job of head coach, then why appoint someone at all? Team manager sounds good to me, and there are numerous candidates.

 

[Xuhaib]

335 post for this tid bit news, we in Pakistan expect to encounter such incidents atleast every alternate month.

 

[susudear]

Aye

335 post for this tid bit news, we in Pakistan expect to encounter such incidents atleast every alternate month.

English.

Making a mountain of a molehill.

: ph3.... Never mind.

 

[wpdavid]

Having Brealey involved would be fantastic, but I honestly can't see it happening. If it was to be someone from that generation, think its most likely to be Gooch TBH.

To put someone forward who is probably a more likely candidate (and I know his names being thrown around a lot), I would see nothing wrong with Ashley Giles being put in as Team Manager. I would not have much faith in him as a Coach, but as a man manager, capable of making tough decisions, I think he would do a decent job. Also read somewhere that Warwickshire were making emergency plans to appoint a new Director of Cricket if needed, so think he may have some role to play on the tour.

I'm sure that Gooch would love being described as from the same generation as Brearley.

Giles is an interesting call. My first thought is that he's too young and too recently retired, but I suppose he didn't play much test cricket with many of this squad. Personally I'd love to see Hussain in that role, but I suppose his other commitments would be a problem.