County Championship- Where are they from?

[Goughy]

When Yorkshire got rid of their Yorks-only policy, who was the first English cricketer to play for Yorkshire but was from a different county (or played for a different county) out of interest?

IIRC SRT was the first cricketer ever to play for Yorkshire who was not from the county.

The Yorks only policy couldnt last forever, but there was only one reason it changed when it did. And that was for Vaughan to be able to play. Even Yorks were not going to pass up such an amazing talent just because the first few weeks of his life were spent outside the county.

As for playing for a different county, Stemp is probably a good guess.

 

[GIMH]

If only you'd kept that policy he might have wound up at Lancs

 

[Richard]

Only if his mum and dad had been willing to go back there for his sake.

Which judging by what he's said about how they've backed him in his cricket, he might well have been able to.

 

[Matteh]

Best Surrey reject - Ashley Giles

 

[morgieb]

Best Surrey reject - Ashley Giles

It's funny how they rejected him because he turned to spin.
And Salisbury & Saqlain are much better than him..

 

[Craig]

Have you ever watched Saqlain Mushtaq bowl? If so, you would know during the peak period of his international career he was of the best ODI spinners going about.

 

[Richard]

It's funny how they rejected him because he turned to spin.

There's no way on Earth anyone could have predicted how good Giles was going to become at being a spinner.

Most people who turn from seam to spin at such an advanced age (he was 16 or 17 IIRR) will never end-up all that good at bowling spin. It was an exceptional effort for Giles to do so.

 

[fredfertang]

There's no way on Earth anyone could have predicted how good Giles was going to become at being a spinner.

Most people who turn from seam to spin at such an advanced age (he was 16 or 17 IIRR) will never end-up all that good at bowling spin. It was an exceptional effort for Giles to do so.

Without wishing to sound too much like one of those crusty old gents who sits in a bath chair in the Long Room spilling a glass of scotch and water all over his trousers the great Tom Goddard was a distinctly average seamer until at 27 he left the first class game and started to experiment with off spin, an art which he was subsequently to excel for many years

More recently in the 80's Ian Folley did much the same at Lancs - he wasn't as successful as Goddard but did have a few good seasons with his slow left arm

 

[NUFAN]

2001 Australia Test Cricketer of the Year Colin Miller was another late bloomer switching from seam to spin.

Great read this thread btw..

 

[fredfertang]

And wasn't it Jack Iverson who barely played the game at all before his 20's?

 

[Richard]

Iverson was a modest wicketkeeper for most of his career, IIRR.

BTW I should point-out (not that it should need it) that nowhere did I say that no-one apart from Giles has ever managed to bloom late with bowling spin. Of course there are others - including possibly the most bizarre of all cases, Colin Miller, during my own time - but it's still a damn extraordinary feat. Most who've tried it have had negligable success; countless others have not even bothered to try knowing how forlorn it would be.

Case-in-point: Michael Yardy. Fortunately he has batting to fall back upon.

 

[fredfertang]

Richard you are a tad paranoid - had you suggested, or I thought you were suggesting, that Giles was the first "late bloomer" then I would have corrected you but you didn't so i simply tried to develop the thread following your perceptive comment

There are also spinners who became seamers - Bill Voce for one and.................... dare I mention it?.............................. oh go on then - Gary Sobers for another

 

[Richard]

Haha never knew Voce had been a spinner.

And yes, you could say I'm a tad paranoid, but I'd prefer to express it as keen to avoid giving people the opportunity to manufacture incorrectness in my words as a small handful so love to attempt to do.

 

[fredfertang]

Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that everyone is not out to get you

 

[Goughy]

Richard you are a tad paranoid - had you suggested, or I thought you were suggesting, that Giles was the first "late bloomer" then I would have corrected you but you didn't so i simply tried to develop the thread following your perceptive comment

There are also spinners who became seamers - Bill Voce for one and.................... dare I mention it?.............................. oh go on then - Gary Sobers for another

Craig White being another. Ordinary off spinner turned into the 'fastest ever Englishman'

 

[fredfertang]

Craig White being another. Ordinary off spinner turned into the 'fastest ever Englishman'

Craig White's spell at the top was all too brief - if I remember correctly wasn't he initially a pretty ordinary seamer as well who suddenly improved dramatically before injury blighted his prospects? - he was very fast for a time

 

[Goughy]

Craig White's spell at the top was all too brief - if I remember correctly wasn't he initially a pretty ordinary seamer as well who suddenly improved dramatically before injury blighted his prospects? - he was very fast for a time

IIRC he turned to seam in about 92. He was an off spinner in his first few years in County Cricket. Within days he was bowling rapid off about 3 steps. He leant quickly and with his rocking back action he could generate good pace off a very easy and short run up.

He had not been bowling seam for more than a season or 2 before getting picked in Test cricket as an allrounder.

 

[Richard]

White essentially had 2 spells in Test (and ODI) cricket - the first between 1994 and 1996/97 he was pretty ordinary. He then returned in 1999/2000 and between then and 2002/03 had some moments where he looked on the borderline of becoming one of the best all-rounders you'll see. Sadly it never quite happened - for reasons that most certainly included injury.

 

[Richard]

Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that everyone is not out to get you

Wouldn't have put you down as a Farthing Wood fan TBH.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Another player who made the transition to twirling late in his FC career was Lancs' own Mike Watkinson. He was never a world-beater, but his offies were considered of sufficient quality for him to be selected for England as a specialist spinner only about a year after he switched. Debuted in tests in his mid-30s if memory serves.

Mark Waugh switched to off-spin when his back no longer permitted him to bowl his seam-up stuff too. Specialist bat, obv, but his offies were serviceable.