Alltime Pakistan Xi

[Zinzan]

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mushtaq Mohammad
*Imran Khan
+Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Fazal Mahmood
Waqar Younis

2nd XI:
Majid Khan
Shoaib Mohammad
Zaheer Abbas
Mohammad Yousuf
Asif Iqbal
Qasim Umar
+Rashid Latif
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar
Sarfraz Nawaz
Khan Mohammad

Note: Didn't include Shabbir,Asif & Saleem(whom I consider Pakistan's best batsman ever) for the reasons you people know very well!

Surely both Mohammad Yousuf & Zaheer Abbas are both better batsman than Younis Khan. Also you've included Rashid Latif twice, and Bari was better IMO

 

[Sanz]

Anyone who saw Rashid Latif in the 90s knows he was the most naturally talented and reliable keeper Pakistan has ever seen. Moin was far too unreliable with the gloves. And unlike Bari, Latif knew how to bat.

Majid Khan was good, but didn't even average over 40, which makes his selection in an all-time side questionable. Plus, he was an opener, and couldn't make it ahead of Anwar or Hanif. Zaheer Abbass has a better record and fits in with the middle order better.

Shoaib Akhtar doesn't qualify, he's won few matches on his own, has an unfulfilled career, and doesn't offer anything that Waqar, Wasim and Imran don't already. Fazal Mahmood was a far better matchwinner in his short career, has a better record in many respects and as a seam bowler rounds off the pace attack better.

Not having a spinner in a Pakistan side is silly. Abdul Qadir has long held the mantle of Pakistan's greatest, and deserves a place in the side.

The rest pick themselves. I don't mind Imran at 6 as he averaged over 60 in that position. My definitive side:

Anwar
Hanif
Miandad
Inzamam
Zaheer
Imran
Latif
Wasim
Waqar
Qadir
Mahmood

You do not even consider Akhtar (by saying he doesn't qualify because he had unfulfilled career ) and yet go on to pick Rashid Latif ? Do you really believe that Rashid Latif, who is so good in your opinion, had a fulfilled career ? And you pick him over someone like Bari who is a legend of Pakistan Cricket and arguably Asia's best Wicket Keeper.

 

[Anil]

saeed anwar
hanif mohammed
javed miandad
zaheer abbas
inzamam ul-haq
imran khan
wasim akram
wasim bari
waqar younis
sarfraz nawaz
abdul qadir

 

[Fusion]

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Imran Khan
Wasim Bari
Wasim Akram
Abdul Qadir
Sarfaraz Nawaz
Waqar Younis

Kind of a long tail with Imran coming in at 6 and Bari as my keeper, but I do believe he's the best WK Pakistan ever produced. Oh well, don't need imposing totals with that bowling line-up!

 

[subshakerz]

Well when i started watching cricket in 97 i managed to catch Moin at his peak & his keeper was pretty solid while his batting got PAK out of trouble many times during a 4 year period until he was dropped when PAK came here in 2001.

Until Gilchrist came on the scene he was easily the most effective batsman/keeper in the buisness. Even when Latif came back in 01 his bat looked good remember watching him score a solid half-century vs AUS in a natwest game but no keeper in PAK history has combined solid-keeping with competent batting better than Moin.

I recall watching Moin during that period, and his keeping was frequently sloppy and could at best be described as solid, while Rashid was taking fantastic catches with regularity. Moin was definitely the better bat, but they both averaged the same, so its not a huge difference. For an all-time XI you need a keeper who is better than solid, as keeping is the first priority, but who could bat also, and Rashid fits the bill.

 

[subshakerz]

You do not even consider Akhtar (by saying he doesn't qualify because he had unfulfilled career ) and yet go on to pick Rashid Latif ? Do you really believe that Rashid Latif, who is so good in your opinion, had a fulfilled career ? And you pick him over someone like Bari who is a legend of Pakistan Cricket and arguably Asia's best Wicket Keeper.

The reason Shoaib doesnt make it is not just that he had an unfulfilled career, but also because Fazal Mahmoud was a better bowling option.

It's highly debatable if Bari was Pakistan's greatest keeper, he was regarded as very safe but never possessed the agility and talent that Rashid had. And at least Rashid could bat, making him a better wicketkeeper batsman.

Shoaib's career remained unfulfilled mainly due to his own lack of commitment towards his game, which should go against him, while Rashid was unfulfilled due to his constant rivalry with Moin over the position in the side,with the latter usually getting the preference due to his better batting skills.

 

[sanga1337]

saeed anwar
hanif mohammed
javed miandad
zaheer abbas
salim malik
imran khan
wasim akram
wasim bari
waqar younis
sarfraz nawaz
abdul qadir

No Inzamam?

 

[Richard]

Surely both Mohammad Yousuf & Zaheer Abbas are both better batsman than Younis Khan. Also you've included Rashid Latif twice, and Bari was better IMO

Latif was easily a better wicketkeeper-batsman than Wasim Bari. You have to have a wicketkeeper who can bat, and Latif lost little on Wasim in wicketkeeping terms.

And yes, Younis Khan > Mohammad Yousuf comfortably IMO. And very probably > Zaheer Abbas too, who most seem to think was something of a flat-track bully.

 

[Shaggy Alfresco]

Saeed
Hanif
Javed
Zaheer
Inzamam
Imran (c)
Wasim Akram
Wasim Bari (wk)
Fazal
Waqar
Shoaib

Neither Saqlain or Qadir are really good enough to crack that pace attack. The batting is a little weak though.

 

[Richard]

Near enough beyond question that's the most powerful seam attack any all-time team could put out though.

Fazal, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib. Jeeys. I suppose West Indies could put out something that comes damn close, but Pakistani seamers by nature tend to cover most bases. And just imagine them with a good catching cordon.

 

[nightprowler10]

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Imran Khan
Wasim Bari
Wasim Akram
Abdul Qadir
Sarfaraz Nawaz
Waqar Younis

Same line-up for me but swap Sarfaraz for Fazal.

 

[Sanz]

It's highly debatable if Bari was Pakistan's greatest keeper, he was regarded as very safe but never possessed the agility and talent that Rashid had. And at least Rashid could bat, making him a better wicketkeeper batsman.

I dont think it is debatable that Wasim Bari is Pakistan's greatest wicketkeeper. Bari is unquestionably Pakistan's and arguably Asia's greatest WK. Latif isn't a patch on him. It is also incorrect to say that Bari couldn't bat.

Shoaib's career remained unfulfilled mainly due to his own lack of commitment towards his game, which should go against him, while Rashid was unfulfilled due to his constant rivalry with Moin over the position in the side,with the latter usually getting the preference due to his better batting skills.

I am sorry but its just incorrect to say that Latif didn't play more because moin was preferred because of better batting. Latif was disruptive force in Pakistan Cricket for 15 years. His dirty politics, controversial statements, cheating on the field...just too much for the Board to handle and they preferred to keep him out.

Shoaib has been a pampered, spoilt child of PCB, much less harmful then Latif.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Rashid Latif 1992-1997 best wk ever IMO and I'm not the only one who has this opinion on this forum.
If Wasim Akram was not captain,Moin would've probably never been picked after 1992.Reagarding dirty politics and cheqating,Moin was more into it than Rashid Latif.Thahts the reason Rashid was recalled after what Moin did in series versus England in 2001.

 

[Anil]

No Inzamam?

corrected...

 

[aussie]

I recall watching Moin during that period, and his keeping was frequently sloppy and could at best be described as solid, while Rashid was taking fantastic catches with regularity. Moin was definitely the better bat, but they both averaged the same, so its not a huge difference..

I don't think the similarities in their respective career averages tells the truth about the gulf in their batting ability TBH. Watching Moin bat in test & Odi's from 97-01 then seeing Latif from 01 to 03 a fair gulf in batting ability was displayed to me, i really doubt Latif had the ability to bat like how Moin did in the 99 WC, againts IND in 99 or bat like how Moin did during a innings i remember very well in the 1st innings of the Gabba test of 99 also. Plus i don't remember to many keeping blunders from Moin.

For an all-time XI you need a keeper who is better than solid, as keeping is the first priority, but who could bat also, and Rashid fits the bill.

In a PAK all-time side i think the position of keeper would interchange alot given that the balance of the side in match conditions againts certain sides.

For example the best home XI under most circumstances for me:

Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Abbas
Miandad
Inzamam
Mushtaq Mohammad
Imran
Wasim
Bari
Qadir/Saqlain
Waqar


Given this your best keeper probably should be picked in Wasim Bari & i presume Imran would pick him too given that he prefered him over Taslim Arif during the 80s as i read.

But lets say PAK go overseas to somewhere like AUS or WI where if PAK are going to win they need their bowling to do it for them againts such All-time great batting-lineups & they decides to go for: 5 batsmen, Imran @ 6, keeper @ 7 & 4 bowlers (Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib plus a spinner) the only keeper at his peak that combined solid batting ability to bat @ 7 or 6 againts good attacks backed up with competent keeping was Moin Khan.

 

[Richard]

Put it this way:

Difference between Wasim Bari and Rashid Latif with gloves = very small.
Difference between Wasim Bari and Rashid Latif with bat = fairly considerable.

I'd have no hesitation in picking Rashid over Wasim. If you were worried about his volatility, I'm fairly confident Imran Khan could put a stop to that, as he seemed to with most Pakistani players.

Moin Khan is more debateable. I've no hesitation in saying Moin was the better batsman for most of their careers, but his wicketkeeping did of times fall short of the standards you expect from Test wicketkeepers - as well as being quite brilliant at other times.

 

[Ymaxxx]

Made it myself after taking inspiration of those sport360 graphics )))

Team would be fire ?

(i wanted to make every team but it takes too much time)

 

[Howe_zat]

You'd go well with a 17-man side, no doubt.

Anyone crack the team in the 13 years since the thread was made? Younis Khan, probably. Misbah? Yasir Shah?

 

[Ymaxxx]

You'd go well with a 17-man side, no doubt.

Anyone crack the team in the 13 years since the thread was made? Younis Khan, probably. Misbah? Yasir Shah?

Tests

1. Hanif Mohammad
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Younis Khan
4. Javed Miandad
5. Inzamam ul Haq (down a few years: Babar Azam)
6. Mohammad Yousuf (down a few years: Fawad Alam)
7. Mohammad Rizwan
8. Imran Khan (c)
9. Wasim Akram
10. Fazal Mahmood
11. Abdul Qadir (i'm all for Saqlain, but on statsguru Qadir was literally the only working spinner in the entire cricket circuit in his decade)

ODIs

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Babar Azam
4. Javed Miandad
5. Zaheer Abbas
6. Mohammad Rizwan
7. Imran Khan (c)
8. Wasim Akram
9. Saqlain Mushtaq
10. Waqar Younis
11. Shoaib Akhtar (down a few years: Shaheen Shah)

T20s

1. Babar Azam (c)
2. Mohammad Rizwan
3. Fakhar Zaman
4. Mohammad Hafeez
5. Umar Akmal (i cant believe im putting him here ffs)
6. Abdul Razzaq
7. Shadab Khan
8. Shahid Afridi
9. Hasan Ali
10. Umar Gul
11. Shaheen Shah

 

[wpdavid]

Tests

1. Hanif Mohammad
2. Saeed Anwar
3. Younis Khan
4. Javed Miandad
5. Inzamam ul Haq (down a few years: Babar Azam)
6. Mohammad Yousuf (down a few years: Fawad Alam)
7. Mohammad Rizwan
8. Imran Khan (c)
9. Wasim Akram
10. Fazal Mahmood
11. Abdul Qadir (i'm all for Saqlain, but on statsguru Qadir was literally the only working spinner in the entire cricket circuit in his decade)

Only playing one spinner surely depends on where the game is being played. If we're in the SC, Saqlain and Qadir both play, probably instead of Fazal Mahmood.