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Is this out ?

Is this out ?


  • Total voters
    32

KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
You can clearly see the ball hit his hand, then the ground. Then he gets control of it.

So the answer is no!
 

Smudge

Hall of Fame Member
I'm still undecided on these style of catches - by the laws of cricket, it's not out, but playing this out in reality, you'd have to accept this dismissal if you were a batsman in a club game.

That said, I'm unsurprised that there was no mention by the Aussie commentators...
 

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
Is there any more footage of this? From the link you provided it seems pretty clearly not out, but we do only get the one look at it. If it happened how it looked in that clip one wonders how Symonds could not know he dropped it...
 

James90

Cricketer Of The Year
I'm still undecided on these style of catches - by the laws of cricket, it's not out, but playing this out in reality, you'd have to accept this dismissal if you were a batsman in a club game.

That said, I'm unsurprised that there was no mention by the Aussie commentators...
Agree with everything said. I think it's generally accepted as a catch even if the laws of cricket suggest it should be not out.

The commentators did their normal thing by pretending they didn't see anything. After it was replayed for the twentieth time they simply couldn't keep ignoring it so Taylor said he believed that Symonds had a finger under the ball. Typical really.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
By the precise letter of the law, no. By common sense and precedents that have been set over 100 years of cricket from park to international, yes.
 

andyc

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Don't care whether it's out or not tbh, just love the 'oOOps' from the commentator.
 

Engle

State Vice-Captain
It is so clearly not out, not even a matter for debate. He got his hand over the ball, not under it and had the camera caught it from the other angle, it would have been even more obvious
 

Top_Cat

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I think the laws are being mis-read on this one. The relevant law;

A catch shall be considered to have been fairly made if

(c) the ball does not touch the ground, even though the hand holding it does so in effecting the catch.


It's not saying that the hand holding the ball can't touch the ground whilst the ball is in hand otherwise every slips catch where the catcher takes the ball two-handed but is touching the ground as it lands in the hand would be not-out too and there are plenty of those. The law allows, for example, for one to take the catch diving and sliding arm-first along the ground. No, I would reckon that if there is finger/hand between the ball and ground when the ball is taken it's a fair catch and from what I saw, Symond's fingers (third and 4th) were under the ball when the catch was taken. I'm sure the ball touched a few blades of grass between his fingers but is that 'grounded'? Don't think so, myself. Fair catch for mine.

Put it this way, if you give that not, there are so many slips, gully and cover catches destined to go the same way so as to make a game farcical.

Unless you have a telescope able to zoom right in, you won't see whether those blades of grass touched the ball. I get the scene in Futurama in my head where the outcome of a horse race is decided by electron microscope and Farnsworth complains "No fair! You changed the outcome by looking at it!" It seems like it's just going to get that ridiculous and even then you won't satisfy everyone.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Recommend people watch this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlYpCnq7VeM&NR=1

Was thinking a definate not-out the whole time until they slowed it down. You can see Symonds third/fourth fingers under there and is IMO in control for the whole thing. Just because he pushes off the ground with the ball doesn't mean it's illegal for mine.
 

KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
Recommend people watch this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlYpCnq7VeM&NR=1

Was thinking a definate not-out the whole time until they slowed it down. You can see Symonds third/fourth fingers under there and is IMO in control for the whole thing. Just because he pushes off the ground with the ball doesn't mean it's illegal for mine.
It is still touching the ground! So not out.

Its funny how nearly everyone who has posted in this thread has said not out, yet the poll is in favour of "Yes". Where are you cowards? No reason? No explanation?
 

KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
By the precise letter of the law, no. By common sense and precedents that have been set over 100 years of cricket from park to international, yes.
Said no but voted yes :unsure:

I mean, whats the point of a law if you think like that?


I mean, yesterday I stole some stuff from a store, but everybody has been stealing stuff from that store for years now, so its OK. 8-)
 

pasag

RTDAS
Said no but voted yes :unsure:

I mean, whats the point of a law if you think like that?


I mean, yesterday I stole some stuff from a store, but everybody has been stealing stuff from that store for years now, so its OK. 8-)
But in an alternate universe, if it was generally accepted in society that stealing was ok and some cop came along and tried to arrest you for it...

This is about what's generally accepted on the cricket feild throughout history. Maybe the law says it's grassed, but if those are generally given out, then I have no problem with Symonds' catch.
 
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KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
But in an alternate universe, if it was generally accepted in society that stealing was ok and some cop came along and tried to arrest you for it...

This is about what's generally accepted on the cricket feild throughout history. Maybe the law says it's grassed, but if those are generally given out, then I have no problem with Symonds' catch.
Then in that case, do you think there might be something wrong with the law?

That means that by "the law" it is OUT.
But by "history" it is NOT?

Whos wins "the law" or "history"?
Is it up to personal interpretation?
 

pasag

RTDAS
Then in that case, do you think there might be something wrong with the law?

That means that by "the law" it is OUT.
But by "history" it is NOT?

Whos wins "the law" or "history"?
Is it up to personal interpretation?
Yeah, I think the ICC cricket committee or the MCC or whoever deals with this stuff nowdays should look into the clarification, especially with it causing (sometimes heated) debate quite a few times this summer (happened with a SA player as well earlier in the season iirc).
 

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