Is Mohammad Asif currently the best fast bowler in the world ?

[Richard]

Without which, clearly, you will have no first-born...

 

[pup11]

daniel cullen is similar to powar

though physique wise there is no match between the two but dan also bowls pretty similar to powar as both really don't use the doosra and try to deceive the batsman with spin and flight.

 

[FRAZ]

And my left testicle (and the right too if you ask nicely).

Its an itchy statement tbh !!!!!!!!!!!! A disturbing biological issue and the filter needs improvement tbh !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Langeveldt]

Its an itchy statement tbh !!!!!!!!!!!! A disturbing biological issue and the filter needs improvement tbh !!!!!!!!!!!

haha

 

[Beleg]

fraz,

yer funny

 

[Richard]

Is that why he was un-banned?

 

[shortpitched713]

Good to see hes brought the infectious tbh in to his vocabulary, tbh.

 

[Laurrz]

Clark is becoming slightly over-rated IMO. Teams haven't really tried to plan against him yet due to McGrath and Warne - they've looked to score off him to relieve the pressure created by the other bowlers and they have been unsuccessful. So, in essence, the fact that he is under-rated by his fellow cricketers had led to his performances being slightly flattering. He'll come back to earth a bit now that he is the senior bowler - the fact that he gets so many wickets with balls that pitch outside the stumps and go away will come back to bite him IMO as batsmen will learn they can leave him alone a lot more than they have been.

Asif looks the real deal to me though. Certainly better than Clark, and certainly has the ability, potential and consistency to claim the title given to him (albeit prematurely IMO) in the title of this thread. He's not quite there yet, but he could certainly get there fairly soon.

i think Clark has been the one putting the pressure on too tho

 

[Goughy]

Not read the whole thread but a quick check shows

Harbhajan

0 wickets with run rate less than 4 = India losing record

2+ wickets with run rate over 4 = India winning record

 

[Goughy]

And it's utterly silly to suggest that just because a side has lost even 4 or 5 wickets in the first 20 overs, say, that inaccurate bowling won't go round the park. There are countless examples, take a look at any game where said wicket-loss happens, and you'll see it. Almost any batsman will go after wayward bowling - and usually manage to score freely off it.

Well you dont provide any and even 1 or 2 could easily be exceptions.

Wickets slow the runrate and batsmen play balls (wayward or not) differently than if early wickets had not fell.

I dont have the stats, but Im willing to bet a lot of money that the runrate from 20-40 overs is far lower in innings where 3 early wickets have fallen compared to 0.

 

[Richard]

I would be too, but you'd have to look at the bowling concerned.

I'd be prepared to bet that under any circumstances, regardless of wickets that happen to fall, accurate bowling will be more economical than inaccurate stuff.

As to the examples - why don't you complain to Sean, too, as he said the exact same thing and I was merely copying him.

 

[Richard]

Not read the whole thread but a quick check shows

Harbhajan

0 wickets with run rate less than 4 = India losing record

2+ wickets with run rate over 4 = India winning record

How often has the latter happened?

 

[Goughy]

I would be too, but you'd have to look at the bowling concerned.

I'd be prepared to bet that under any circumstances, regardless of wickets that happen to fall, accurate bowling will be more economical than inaccurate stuff.

As to the examples - why don't you complain to Sean, too, as he said the exact same thing and I was merely copying him.

, Apologies. I did say I hadnt read the whole thread and didnt see his post.

Obviously bad bowling will go for more runs than accurate. The argument is that bad bowling will go for less when early wickets have fallen, as will accurate bowling, as opposed to when the batting team lost no sticks. Hence wickettaking makes a big difference in terms of overall team economy and performance

How often has the latter happened?

20 times

 

[Richard]

, Apologies. I did say I hadnt read the whole thread and didnt see his post.

Obviously bad bowling will go for more runs than accurate. The argument is that bad bowling will go for less when early wickets have fallen, as will accurate bowling, as opposed to when the batting team lost no sticks. Hence wickettaking makes a big difference in terms of overall team economy and performance

I'd agree with the second part but not neccessarily with the former. Bad bowling will get the treatment IMO, I've seen enough examples of an early wicket or two followed by some poor bowling still resulting in a sizeable total.

Obviously, though, early wickets will also help accurate bowling be more economical. Don't forget, though, that the wickets may well have been caused ITFP by the economy.

20 times

Really, that many? I must have a look myself...

 

[silentstriker]

How often has the latter happened?

He has taken 2 or more wickets 46 times. Out of thise 46 times, he has gone for more than 4 runs an over 20 times. Pretty mediocre bowler, if you ask me. He should be in the side until we get a decent bowler as a replacement.

 

[Langeveldt]

Is that why he was un-banned?

Apparently so, maybe Murphy could get the same treatment one day..

 

[Richard]

He has taken 2 or more wickets 46 times. Out of thise 46 times, he has gone for more than 4 runs an over 20 times. Pretty mediocre bowler, if you ask me. He should be in the side until we get a decent bowler as a replacement.

Such as?

Sarandeep Singh?

Bhagwat Chandrasekhar?

 

[silentstriker]

Such as?

Sarandeep Singh?

Bhagwat Chandrasekhar?

If I knew, I'd be clamoring for his inclusion. I think Powar is better, but its too early to tell for him. I'd be happier of Chawla or another leggie comes up soon. If not, we'd have to suffer with him...but that doesn't mean he is anything but a mediocre bowler.

 

[Richard]

Jhyes, is there anyone connected with Indian bowling who's not mediocre to you?

 

[gunner]

i dont think harbhajan will ever forget the pakistan tour 2006