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Thread: England's openers at Headingley.

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    England's openers at Headingley.

    It's about 99.9% certain that Vaughan, Strauss and Trescothick will all play the 2nd Test, so who opens, and why?

    Also, where would you bat the 3rd of the 3?
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    Strauss and Trescothick.

    There's no way Strauss can be left out now. Nor Hussain. So Giles has to go out, despite a decent bowling performance at Lord's.

    Vaughan hasn't been in the best of forms lately, and hasn't been himself while batting since taking over the captainship. He has made a couple of centuries, but he needs to settle down in the middle order. He isn't a specialist opener, right? He used to bat No. 3 or 4 for Yorkshire a few years back, if my memory serves correct. Yes, he has proved that he can open. His record speaks for him. But maybe it's time to sit back, and let the younger guy take the charge.

    Trescothick needs to open. He has shown shades of return to form, wouldn't be just to push him down while he's trying to regain his form.

    So Strauss and Trescothick is a personal choice.

    However, that does bring up a question. Where does Vaughan bat then?

    Butcher at 3, Hussain 4 and Thorpe 5. Vaughan 6? Confusing.
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    I've actually gone for Trescothick and Vaughan - for a start, it's at Vaughan's home ground, so I would put him in at the top, and Trescothick is for me the immovable one of the 3.

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    Yes, I presume that is what the actual decision would be.

    I just went for Strauss and Trescothick as a personal choice.

    I think England will go with:

    1. Trescothick
    2. Vaughan
    3. Butcher
    4. Hussain
    5. Thorpe
    6. Strauss

    ... in that batting order.


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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    It's about 99.9% certain that Vaughan, Strauss and Trescothick will all play the 2nd Test, so who opens, and why?

    Also, where would you bat the 3rd of the 3?
    I'd bat Trescothick at four, replacing Hussain following the announcement of his retirement tomorrow.

    Having listened to that interview, I can confirm that Hussain's face as he walked through a crowded Long Room was a picture of bliss. Thorpe just looked tired, but Hussain was obviously floating on air, and not minding the claps on his back as he made his way through.

    I can easily see why he'd want to have the last bunch of articles written about him in the press to talk about how the hero retired on the highest of highs rather than have to wade through acres of newsprint detailing his selfishness in hanging on for a personal milestone of caps when it was obvious his powers were failing despite what happened at Lord's in May, which is the most likely result of him trying to hang on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerhair
    I'd bat Trescothick at four, replacing Hussain following the announcement of his retirement tomorrow.
    No 100 Tests?

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    Much of it is going to be down to whether Hussain knocks it on the head or not. If so, then I'd love to see Trescothick go in down the order where he would (perhaps) be free to play the uninhibited role, as opposed to opening and playing the uninhibited role like he normally does.

    If Hussain is going to carry on, then I haven't got a clue. Can we play 12?
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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerhair
    I'd bat Trescothick at four, replacing Hussain following the announcement of his retirement tomorrow.

    Having listened to that interview, I can confirm that Hussain's face as he walked through a crowded Long Room was a picture of bliss. Thorpe just looked tired, but Hussain was obviously floating on air, and not minding the claps on his back as he made his way through.

    I can easily see why he'd want to have the last bunch of articles written about him in the press to talk about how the hero retired on the highest of highs rather than have to wade through acres of newsprint detailing his selfishness in hanging on for a personal milestone of caps when it was obvious his powers were failing despite what happened at Lord's in May, which is the most likely result of him trying to hang on.

    Cheers,

    Mike

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    I didn't listen to the interview.

    But read about it now - http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040524/3/40h9.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sudeep Popat
    Vaughan hasn't been in the best of forms lately
    Is it just me, or has Vaughan actually been in better form that people give him credit for? IMO he looked in good touch in the ODI series against WI and just didn't have much luck. Also, he played a fine hundred in his last Test innings to go a long way to saving the game for his team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Is it just me, or has Vaughan actually been in better form that people give him credit for? IMO he looked in good touch in the ODI series against WI and just didn't have much luck. Also, he played a fine hundred in his last Test innings to go a long way to saving the game for his team.
    Yes, but the large scores have been irregular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    Is it just me, or has Vaughan actually been in better form that people give him credit for? IMO he looked in good touch in the ODI series against WI and just didn't have much luck. Also, he played a fine hundred in his last Test innings to go a long way to saving the game for his team.
    It's not just you. Vaughan certainly agrees with you, and I think I do too. His dismissal has just about always come as a complete surprise, whereas when Tresco, Butcher or Hussain fail, it's usual that their dismissal puts an end to their evident misery.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerhair
    (I met Neil at lunch. He was wearing a red shirt, in case you want to look back through your videos of the day.)

    Red shirt and red hair...

    Hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
    IMO he looked in good touch in the ODI series against WI and just didn't have much luck.

    By contrast Harmison is bowling poorly by his own acknowledgement, but is now up to number 2 in the World!

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    Mmm I would not bat Andrew Strauss at 6. They played that trick on Ian Ward (although I'd grant that Strauss is the better bat) and naturally Ian failed - he was not the first. I've voted for Tres and Strauss, since like others I feel a drop to 4 would suit Vaughan. He tends to play at the ball a little too much at times, hence the somewhat irregular scores, and may be better against the softer ball. Also it'd give him time to get his head back together after having skippered the side out on the field.

    I can't see Nass being shown the door, not after that performance, so it has to be Giles. To my way of thinking he is far too negative a bowler, spearing it in on leg stump or outside, boring the pants off everyone. When are we going to uncover a really good spinner who will be properly looked after and not taken off at the first excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    By contrast Harmison is bowling poorly by his own acknowledgement, but is now up to number 2 in the World!
    That is a quite staggering improvement in less than a year (well, the second innings of the last test against South Africa, I suppose).

    There's a few things I'd like to say about that...

    1. It's silly, and circumstantial to the point of being embarrassing.
    2. We may never see Rik again
    3. The duck's clamouring to get out of the cupboard
    4. Shows you what matters - taking wickets, not looking pretty.

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