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David Warner retirement thread
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the big bambino
International Captain
better get out the gilchrist apology and update it i reckon.
GotSpin
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I just miss the old days of the Windies. They knew how to win and with good grace too
flibbertyjibber
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Awaits Holding picture in NZ.
TheJediBrah
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Of course they knew. Every bowler in every team around the world knows. This is not ground breaking or unique in anyway. The only things different about this is are: 1) the hamfisted and idiotic way the Australians carried it out and more so, 2) the media response.
Prince EWS
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This argument keeps coming up, and I'm not saying the bowlers didn't know, but the umpires didn't even change the ball after seeing the replay and then looking at the ball. It looked the same, seemingly.
Perhaps the funniest thing out of many funny elements of this whole saga is that the tampering doesn't appear to have actually worked in any visible or measurable way.
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Cabinet96
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Has there even been any research to prove that the typical methods people use to tamper with the ball actually help produce more swing? It's taken as a given that it has a massive affect but from experience I struggle to believe using finger nails or dirt would have a bigger impact than maintaining a quality shine or the conditions.
the big bambino
International Captain
Thats about it I'd say. Which makes what was going on in their heads as they were plotting even more remarkable. Put aside the morality of the situation and really thats where the suggestion should have been killed off. Someone should have had the grounding to realise its wrong and don't do it. but lets say you are more calculating than that. That you may not be moral but at least have a brain. Why didn't they assess the risk versus the benefits and consider the consequences of getting caught?
The risks are enormous and the chances of escaping detection almost nil. Especially the way they did it. I mean Bancroft's sticky tape burned bright like a firefly's arse ffs. in comparison the benefits are piddling. SA are better bats against the reversing ball. Our bowlers not as good at exploiting it. SA were always likely to score enough runs to ensure the only way we were going to win the test was by batting brilliantly and doggedly in the last innings. But the odds were that we were going to lose but we would have had a drawn series to fight for in the last test with a united and focused team to aim for it. Fat chance of that now. Besides if you're going to tamper do it to them in their first innings not their second dig.
By this stage you have enough incentive to say no to the plan. But if not consider the consequences if caught. It applies to them all but look at Smith. Captaincy - gone. Place in the side - gone, $8m pa salary - jeopardised, T20 contracts - jeoparised, reputation - gone, place in history - condemned. Its got to be the biggest brain fart in sport.
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Victor Ian
International Coach
Yeah - there was that study on it by Imran's friend this one
You don't need to rough the ball up. You just need to create a non smooth surface on one side. If you can stick dirt to it, that does it perfectly with the benefit that the evidence is lost straight after it pitches. So, rub up one side with sticky crap and then make sure to rub some sawdust or dirt on to the ball just before you bowl it. Am I imagining memories of bowlers drying their hands on the dirt and sawdust before they receive a ball to bowl?
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ImpatientLime
International Regular
what is it with australia and their inability to manage these difficult personalities?
just suck it up boys, the benefits of warner in the side outweigh the negatives.
and anyway, he didn't really do anything that wrong. its all lehmann and smiths fault.
just suck it up boys, the benefits of warner in the side outweigh the negatives.
and anyway, he didn't really do anything that wrong. its all lehmann and smiths fault.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Do they not sell colouring books in India?
dontcloseyoureyes
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Same. **** David Warner.
Pratters
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The David Warner children's books are aptly titled 'The Kaboom Kid'. You can buy them on Amazon India
https://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?k=david+warner+book
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Daemon
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The chances of escaping are fairly high imo.
It took the cameramen 90minutes of actively looking for foul play after the tip off from Fanie to catch Bancroft in the act.
vic_orthdox
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A lot of the bowlers aren't involved in "ball management" because they sweat so much that they just get it back to them before they are about to bowl.
They know that the fielders will be doing something to help the ball reverse, but doesn't mean they knew about the tape. Australia (and SA) were trying to get the ball into a state for reverse the whole time, the ball probably didn't look much different to what it had beforehand.
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stephen
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This. The rough side has to be dry for the ball to reverse to create the correct conditions where an envelope of air forms over one side of the ball. So teams generally give the person who sweats the least the responsibility for polishing it. Bowlers don't usually get that responsibility since they're running in hard and working up a big sweat and fielding at fine leg.