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    Vernon Philander transformation

    Many people talk about Steve Smith transformation from an average leggie to world best batsmen in current times but everyone seems to ignore Philander's transformation to becoming SA's best bowler in current times from being an average all rounder.Good thing is that he has mantained his batting unlike Smith who is now a useless and worse bowler than what he was at his debut

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    Philander was always rated quite highly, he was/is the default leader of the attack when Steyn is injured.
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    I agree, Smith should bowl more.
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    There's not really been any transformation. Philander was always awesome.
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    Unless he's lost the moobs then this thread title is a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    There's not really been any transformation. Philander was always awesome.
    Absolutely. There has not been a transformation. Philander has been a brilliant bowler since well before he first played Test cricket.
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    He picked up 50 wickets in his first 7 test matches, and now has 182 after 48 tests. So if he's not taking wickets at the same rate he did at the start of his career, does that mean he's got worse?
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    Well he did kinda make his debut in 2007 in an otherwise forgotten ODI series against India known more for Tendulkar getting a bunch of 90s which ultimately led to him not getting the prized 50 centuries in each format but not sure if it counts as much of a transformation as he only played a few games
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    What transformation? OP needs to have a look at his record before he even made the test side. His record at First class level is phenomenal.
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    He couldn’t have asked for the better conditions to bowl on.

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    Philander was the second best bowler in the world before he even played a Test match. Transformation is non-existent.
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    He was picked in the wrong format in 2007. Admittedly Pollock was still around so getting into the Test team would have been a tad trickier. He can be useful in LO cricket but it's long form games where he can win it for you singlehandedly with the ball, and chip in with good scores with the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasimione View Post
    What transformation? OP needs to have a look at his record before he even made the test side. His record at First class level is phenomenal.
    FC records of SA players are greatly exaggerated due to the fact that both State cricket and franchise cricket of SA has got FC status and State cricket is of lower quality where teams like Namibia compete

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    There's not really been any transformation. Philander was always awesome.
    Are we talking about weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebreaker View Post
    FC records of SA players are greatly exaggerated due to the fact that both State cricket and franchise cricket of SA has got FC status and State cricket is of lower quality where teams like Namibia compete
    And yet his record was still comfortably well ahead of any other SA player at the time. And not due to their second division shenanigans.
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