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    Not seen that before - seriously x-rated stuff

    Can't see that happening to Smith in my wildest dreams, not by any of our bowlers anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post

    Was there anyone who didn't know immediately it was all over for him after this?

    At least Kallis got wounded right after this happened.
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    It's so silly how often we were 3/****-all in those two summers.

    iirc benchmark valiantly held the line on Ponting even after that dismissal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post
    Ponting's issue* was that his previously stellar conversion rate turned to **** after the SA series in 08/09 (37 tons and 43 fifties going into the 09 new years test, finished with 4 more tons and 19 more fifties). Smith's dominance has been built on a similar conversation rate and it stands to reason he could have a similar bad run, indeed he had that in the 12-18 months prior to his recall where I think he made 7 fifties and 0 tons. That's the only run like that though in his career so far though, even his early FC career he was going at a 1:1 ratio and he was not out/last man out in over half the fifites he didn't convert

    *and he couldn't play Kallisball
    **** does this mean Root might eventually start converting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    It's so silly how often we were 3/****-all in those two summers.

    iirc benchmark valiantly held the line on Ponting even after that dismissal.
    This surprises me, Murphy was well known for admitting when he was wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnske View Post
    Was there anyone who didn't know immediately it was all over for him after this?
    I believe I may have tried to argue at the time that it just proved Kallis was too good and in fact one of the best five bowlers in the world, as I do, but I'm not sure if that really counts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Too much is made of averages, not enough of big series performances (and no, that's not the same thing as "average in a country")
    People on here do this all the time with Anderson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    People on here do this all the time with Anderson.
    I'm aware, I've argued against it myself.

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    Ponting knew better than anyone else that he was on the decline. He could have retired with fantastic figures and gone into legendary status but the bloke was anything but selfish.
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    hmmm, his test retirement basically happened because he didn't want get dropped like he did from the ODI team. it's a classic case of a retirement being selfish imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post
    hmmm, his test retirement basically happened because he didn't want get dropped like he did from the ODI team. it's a classic case of a retirement being selfish imo
    what? where did you read this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    what? where did you read this
    I recall him saying that too, might have been in his autobiography.

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    Ricky Ponting reveals his anger after being dropped from ODI team in his new book - Cricket Country
    Best extracts from Ricky Ponting's upcoming autobiography, At The Close of Play

    I thought there was a more definitive quote on it but I think you can basically draw the picture. He was really unhappy about how ODI thing happened and not getting to announce his retirement (as he should have been. the whole thing was farcical) and I'm pretty sure he wasn't gonna let the same thing happen with his test career

    also "it's a classic case of a retirement being selfish imo" sounds like I'm slamming him but it's more...I think it's PEWS who said retirement is inherently selfish which kinda opened my eyes to it, and this was a clear case of retiring to give yourself a nice farewell.
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