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    cricketweb chooses the best cricket captain ever: the contest thread

    So, I'm gonna randomise the 64 names into 8 groups of 8. Choose 4 from each group you want to advance to the next round. This will continue for 3 rounds until there is 8 people left, then it'l be groups of 4 for 2 more rounds

    I'll be randomising the field each new round, so don't bother scouting out potential paths of players


    I think this style works better for this kind of thing actually



    I know this is gonna be an effort voting in round 1, but good luck people. Oh, and consider any and all formats of cricket they captained in when voting. Yes I know this will be a bit of a shamozzle because only half the field captained limited overs matches, but I don't want to not include limited overs captaincy in the voting, and I also don't want to run 2 tournaments at once. If somebody's ODI success mean more to you than FC cricket, vote accordingly I guess. Just try to take their overall captaincy skill into account


    Group 1:

    Clem Hill
    Viv Richards
    John Reid
    Percy Chapman
    Herbie Taylor
    Mahela Jaywardene
    Richie Richardson
    Mike Brearley

    Group 2:

    Joe Darling
    Ray Illingworth
    Monty Noble
    Imran Khan
    Heath Streak
    Bill Lawry
    Graeme Smith
    Douglas Jardine

    Group 3:

    Michael Clarke
    Hansie Cronje
    Steve Waugh
    Michael Vaughan
    Don Bradman
    Nawab Pataudi Jr.
    Ted Dexter
    Clive Lloyd

    Group 4:

    Misbah ul-Haq
    Sourav Ganguly
    Bill Woodfull
    Shaun Pollock
    Gary Sobers
    Ali Bacher
    Nasser Hussain
    Lala Armanath

    Group 5:

    Warwick Armstrong
    Ricky Ponting
    Greg Chappell
    Martin Crowe
    Abdul Kardar
    Bredon McCullum
    Allan Border
    Wasim Akram

    Group 6:

    Kepler Wessels
    WG Grace
    Bevan Congdon
    Pelham Warner
    Freddie Brown
    Frank Worrell
    Darren Sammy
    Kapil Dev

    Group 7:

    Mustaq Mohammad
    Ajit Wadekar
    Arthur Shrewsbury
    Peter May
    Geoff Howarth
    Dan Vettori
    Len Hutton
    Brian Close

    Group 8:

    Stephen Fleming
    Richie Benaud
    MS Dhoni
    Andrew Strauss
    Ian Chappell
    Arjuna Ranatunga
    Mark Taylor
    Bob Simpson
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    Group 1:

    Viv Richards
    John Reid
    Percy Chapman
    Mike Brearley

    Group 2:

    Ray Illingworth
    Imran Khan
    Bill Lawry
    Douglas Jardine

    Group 3:

    Steve Waugh
    Michael Vaughan
    Nawab Pataudi Jr.
    Clive Lloyd

    Group 4:

    Misbah ul-Haq
    Sourav Ganguly
    Bill Woodfull
    Nasser Hussain

    Group 5:

    Warwick Armstrong
    Martin Crowe
    Abdul Kardar
    Allan Border

    Group 6:

    Kepler Wessels
    Bevan Congdon
    Pelham Warner
    Frank Worrell

    Group 7:

    Ajit Wadekar
    Peter May
    Geoff Howarth
    Len Hutton

    Group 8:

    Richie Benaud
    Ian Chappell
    Arjuna Ranatunga
    Mark Taylor

    Man group 8 was really, really hard. Flem & MSD so unlucky to miss out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra View Post
    Group 3

    Wright
    Bradman
    Dexter
    Lloyd


    Wright-o then.

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    I dont even know half enough of these players to comment on their captaincy styles. Gonna sit this one out I guess.
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    Group 1:


    Viv Richards
    Percy Chapman
    Mahela Jaywardene
    Mike Brearley

    Group 2:

    Ray Illingworth
    Imran Khan
    Graeme Smith
    Douglas Jardine

    Group 3:

    Steve Waugh
    Don Bradman
    Ted Dexter
    Clive Lloyd

    Group 4:

    Misbah ul-Haq
    Sourav Ganguly
    Bill Woodfull
    Nasser Hussain

    Group 5:

    Warwick Armstrong
    Abdul Kardar
    Bredon McCullum
    Allan Border

    Group 6:

    Kepler Wessels
    WG Grace
    Bevan Congdon
    Frank Worrell

    Group 7:

    Mustaq Mohammad
    Peter May
    Len Hutton
    Brian Close

    Group 8:

    Richie Benaud
    Ian Chappell
    Arjuna Ranatunga
    Mark Taylor
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    Group 1:

    John Reid
    Percy Chapman
    Mahela Jaywardene
    Mike Brearley

    A field I had difficulty with. Brearley was perhaps the only person in the modern era to get selected purely for his captaincy skills (though I suspect he's a bit overhyped in that regard) so it's hard to look past him, and Jayawardene was a fine captain too. Chapman seems to have a good record though was a relic of his time, but I'll still slot him in. 4th one tougher, I have no idea re: Taylor and Hill's captaincy, Richards strikes me as a captain of a great team rather than a great captain himself, and Richardson is a similar boat. In addition, Reid's record is patchy. Gonna go Reid though, as he was a big reason in New Zealand becoming a respectable side.

    Group 2:

    Ray Illingworth
    Imran Khan
    Graeme Smith
    Douglas Jardine

    Easier field. I understand that Smith and Jardine's aren't everyone's cup of tea, but Smith was a very fine captain and Jardine helped change the game. Meanwhile Imran commanded respect of his peers for a country where that's typically quite tough, and while Illingworth is a huge reason for why England was such a mess in the 90's, he was a very strong captain.

    Group 3:

    Nawab Pataudi
    Michael Vaughan
    Steve Waugh
    Clive Lloyd

    Loaded field. Cronje omitted for obvious reasons, but other than that it's close. Clarke was probably the best tactican I ever saw, but there were too many scandals in Australian cricket for his run as captain to be looked on that kindly, Bradman seemed a little too disagreeable as a character to be rated as a truly great captain and while I rate JBMAC's judgement re: Dexter I don't know enough to vote for him over the other four who can all be considered top-class captains.

    Group 4:

    Misbah ul-Haq
    Sourav Ganguly
    Bill Woodfull
    Ali Bacher

    Sobers is a great cricketer but a poor captain, Pollock is kinda similar, so they're out. Nasser did get respectability back towards England, but he never had the aura of the above four, whereas I don't know Amarnath well enough to judge and his record isn't stellar. Hard to know how good Bacher was, but he did a lot for South African cricket and he did win all four games he captained.

    Group 5:

    Warwick Armstrong
    Abdul Kardar
    Brendon McCullum
    Allan Border

    Another tricky draw, but I think all four of them were standouts. Not sure Border was an amazing captain tactically, but he did a lot to get Australian cricket back on its feet. Crowe unlucky, looked like he was a beast around the 92 World Cup, but McCullum's first couple of years as captain swings it. (helps I actually saw McCullum captain but didn't see Crowe do it)

    Group 6:

    Kepler Wessels
    Bevan Congdon
    Pelham Warner
    Frank Worrell

    Not a field I'm particularly familiar with bar Worrell (Sammy being included is a bit strange IMO). Congdon seems to be a key character in New Zealand becoming a solid team, and I get the feeling Plum had to be a strong captain too. Guess Kepler for spot 4 as he was key in the rebirth of South African cricket.

    Group 7:

    Ajit Wadekar
    Peter May
    Geoff Howarth
    Len Hutton

    The standouts here, though I will admit I don't know the non-Vettori captains well.

    Group 8:

    Stephen Fleming
    Richie Benaud
    Ian Chappell
    Mark Taylor

    Four really great captains, wouldn't be a terrible final four in all honesty. And I had to omit Ranatunga, too, who while is a dick was key to briging respect to Sri Lankan cricket. These four will go far.
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    Great write ups morgieb, enjoyed reading it

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    Group 1
    Percy Chapman
    Mike Brearley
    Mahela Jayawardene
    John Reid


    Group 2
    Ray Illingworth
    Imran Khan
    Graeme Smith
    Douglas Jardine


    Group 3
    Michael Vaughan
    Clive lloyd
    Michael Clarke
    Don Bradman


    Group 4
    Misbah ul Haq
    Ali Bacher
    Nasser Hussain
    Sourav Ganguly


    Group 5
    Warwick Armstrong
    Abdul Kardar
    Allan Border
    Greg Chappell


    Group 6
    Freddie Brown
    Frank Worrell
    Darren Sammy
    Bev Congdon


    Group 7
    Mushtaq Mohammad
    Geoff Howarth
    Len Hutton
    Brian Close


    Group 8
    Richie Benaud
    Andrew Strauss
    Mark Taylor
    Arjuna Ranatunga

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    Viv Richards
    Percy Chapman
    Richie Richardson
    Mike Brearley

    Ray Illingworth
    Imran Khan
    Graeme Smith
    Douglas Jardine

    Steve Waugh
    Michael Vaughan
    Ted Dexter
    Clive Lloyd

    Misbah ul-Haq
    Bill Woodfull
    Gary Sobers
    Nasser Hussain

    Warwick Armstrong
    Greg Chappell
    Martin Crowe
    Allan Border

    Kepler Wessels
    WG Grace
    Pelham Warner
    Darren Sammy

    Arthur Shrewsbury
    Peter May
    Len Hutton
    Brian Close

    Stephen Fleming
    Richie Benaud
    Andrew Strauss
    Mark Taylor
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    Group 1:
    Viv Richards
    John Reid
    Percy Chapman
    Mike Brearley

    Group 2:
    Ray Illingworth
    Monty Noble
    Imran Khan
    Graeme Smith

    Group 3:
    Steve Waugh
    Michael Vaughan
    Don Bradman
    Clive Lloyd

    Group 4:
    Misbah ul-Haq
    Sourav Ganguly
    Ali Bacher
    Nasser Hussain

    Group 5:
    Greg Chappell
    Martin Crowe
    Allan Border
    Wasim Akram

    Group 6:
    WG Grace
    Frank Worrell
    Darren Sammy
    Kapil Dev

    Group 7:
    Ajit Wadekar
    Geoff Howarth
    Len Hutton
    Brian Close

    Group 8:
    Stephen Fleming
    Richie Benaud
    Mark Taylor
    Bob Simpson

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    Group 1:

    John Reid
    Percy Chapman
    Herbie Taylor
    Mike Brearley

    Group 2:

    Ray Illingworth
    Imran Khan
    Graeme Smith
    Douglas Jardine

    Group 3:

    Michael Vaughan
    Don Bradman
    Nawab Pataudi Jr.
    Clive Lloyd

    Group 4:

    Misbah ul-Haq
    Sourav Ganguly
    Bill Woodfull
    Nasser Hussain

    Group 5:

    Warwick Armstrong
    Abdul Kardar
    Bredon McCullum
    Allan Border

    Group 6:

    Bevan Congdon
    Frank Worrell
    Darren Sammy
    Kapil Dev

    Group 7:

    Ajit Wadekar
    Dan Vettori
    Len Hutton
    Brian Close

    Group 8:

    Stephen Fleming
    Richie Benaud
    Ian Chappell
    Arjuna Ranatunga

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    Group 1:

    Clem Hill
    Viv Richards
    Mahela Jaywardene
    Mike Brearley

    Group 2:


    Ray Illingworth
    Imran Khan
    Graeme Smith
    Douglas Jardine


    Group 3:

    Steve Waugh
    Michael Vaughan
    Don Bradman
    Clive Lloyd


    Group 4:

    Sourav Ganguly
    Bill Woodfull
    Ali Bacher
    Nasser Hussain


    Group 5:

    Warwick Armstrong
    Ricky Ponting
    Allan Border
    Wasim Akram


    Group 6:

    Pelham Warner
    Freddie Brown
    Frank Worrell
    Kapil Dev



    Group 7:

    Arthur Shrewsbury
    Geoff Howarth
    Dan Vettori
    Len Hutton


    Group 8:

    Richie Benaud
    Ian Chappell
    Mark Taylor
    Bob Simpson
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    Group 1:

    Clem Hill
    Viv Richards
    Percy Chapman
    Mike Brearley

    Group 2:

    Ray Illingworth
    Monty Noble
    Bill Lawry
    Douglas Jardine

    Group 3:

    Steve Waugh
    Don Bradman
    Ted Dexter
    Clive Lloyd

    Group 4:

    Misbah ul-Haq
    Bill Woodfull
    Nasser Hussain
    Lala Armanath

    Group 5:

    Warwick Armstrong
    Ricky Ponting
    Greg Chappell
    Allan Border

    Group 6:

    WG Grace
    Bevan Congdon
    Pelham Warner
    Frank Worrell

    Group 7:

    Arthur Shrewsbury
    Peter May
    Geoff Howarth
    Len Hutton

    Group 8:

    Richie Benaud
    Ian Chappell
    Mark Taylor
    Bob Simpson

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    Group 1:

    Viv Richards
    Percy Chapman
    Mahela Jaywardene
    Mike Brearley

    Group 2:

    Ray Illingworth
    Imran Khan
    Graeme Smith
    Douglas Jardine

    Group 3:

    Michael Clarke
    Steve Waugh
    Don Bradman
    Clive Lloyd

    Group 4:

    Misbah ul-Haq
    Bill Woodfull
    Gary Sobers
    Nasser Hussain

    Group 5:

    Warwick Armstrong
    Ricky Ponting
    Greg Chappell
    Allan Border

    Group 6:

    Bevan Congdon
    Pelham Warner
    Frank Worrell
    Kapil Dev

    Group 7:

    Mustaq Mohammad
    Arthur Shrewsbury
    Dan Vettori
    Len Hutton

    Group 8:

    Richie Benaud
    Ian Chappell
    Arjuna Ranatunga
    Mark Taylor


    Group 8 particularly brutal imo. Would have had Dhoni and Strauss in most other groups, but couldn't leave out Arjuna or Tubby, while the Tory ****, Chappelli and Benords were locks for me.
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    Lmao why are half the great captains in one group?
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