Wright staying on may have helped a little, but Taylor just doesn't have the right temperament to skipper for any length of time imo.I think Taylor would've done better if John Wright had stayed on as coach. The team wasn't happy, but while Wright was there at least there was a strong figure to support Taylor and help him with the man management side of things. In retrospect, once Wright decided he'd had enough of getting dicked around by the NZC for one life time, there was always a risk that things were going to come apart quite quickly.
Will be interesting to hear Guptill and KW's spin on things in a decade's time.
Who would be in the "Vettori" gang out of curiosity?From what I've been told the period between 2008 and 2011 was just pure hell in the New Zealand set up. Vettori and his mates pretty much run the show, dictated who made squads, how practice was run, when and how often they trained. There was absolutely no need for coaching or even a decent management team in those players eyes. Bullying was rife too which sounds stupid when it comes to grown men but unfortunately that was the case. I'm sure nobody here forgets Williamson (he wasn't officially named but it was him) being ripped on for wanting to train too hard. The culture was just ****ing toxic.
Taylor was never a favourite between Vettori and his gang, no wonder he struggled when he took over.
McCullum does also mention in one of those extracts that Wright was a shambles as coach, I think?Wright staying on may have helped a little, but Taylor just doesn't have the right temperament to skipper for any length of time imo.
Did nobody see the way he carried on when NZ got a couple of tough decisions in the 2nd Test vs. India? It's one thing to shake your head over a bad decision, but he was mouthing off swear words under his breath for about 5 minutes straight. Not a great signal to send to his team.
That's not a point in it's favour.tbf Zinzan on the wahhhing you've described every modern Australian skipper ever, especially Steve Smith. Ganguly too.
The first 3 sound about right, not so sure about Southee though, apart from that infamous Test win in SL when tensions were apparently high between he & Taylor.Rumoured Vettori gang was something like McCullum, Oram, Mills and Southee. .
Not just Bond, nobody was happy about the way that was done in hindsight. Taylor was hung out to dry & pretty sure McCullum said that at the time, but that doesn't change the fact Taylor probably didn't have the right temperament to be a good NZ skipper for a long period.It's always going to be he said she said between Baz and Ross (when his book comes) unless someone neutral like Kane, Bond or some random physio pipes up, and tbf Bond was very unhappy at the time .
Kyle Mills, Jacob Oram, Darryl Tuffey, Scott Styris and then obviously Brendon McCullum. That group pretty much ran NZC from the time they had Andy Moles fired up until John Wright decided he had had enough. Honestly, I don't believe a lot of people would believe some of the **** that went down with that team during that time. Would've made for a fantastic Drama/Soap that is for sure.Who would be in the "Vettori" gang out of curiosity?
Except for Martin Guptill, Taylor didn't have a single good friend that was a regular in that team. He had plenty of guys that he didn't get on with though. Guys that wouldn't have a problem undermining him, or attempting to make him look bad. He got that captaincy gig because Wright thought he along with Taylor could change the culture of that team and didn't want to see another 2-3 years of the crap Vettori pulled with McCullum.I don't think Taylor was a great captain, nor has the right temperament for it, but one feels he was setup to fail in a lot of respects. He took over what seems like a divided camp of Mean Girls and decent folk (Williamson et al) and was suppose to mould that into a decent unit. One feels the mean Girls clique, who would've preferred Baz, wouldn't have made it easy for Ross at any point.
I'm not sure anything would shock us after the milkshake romp would it?He was on the outside obvs, but he was part of that group.
Edit: And that's probably all I should say....
ICL and stuff that might've happened thereI'm not sure anything would shock us after the milkshake romp would it?
Ahh yes, well that's mostly out there now, with a few names thrown about in the whole Cairns saga.ICL and stuff that might've happened there