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    Johnson, Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Harris, Siddle, Bollinger, Hilfenhaus, Behrendorff, Bird all > Faulkner as a Test match bowler.

    The first 5 for being out-and-out better bowlers in every way.
    The next 3 for being experienced at Test level and knowing how to get people out.
    The final 2 for being far more complete bowlers capable of taking wickets.
    I'd also have Chadd Sayers fractionally above Faulkner, but accept that is very contestable.

    Cummins is highly rated, and rightfully so, but should be nowhere near Test selection until he strings some decent red ball cricket behind him.
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    I don't reckon Behrendorff is much chop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Yep; he's a better batsman than a Sheffield Shield average of about 30 would indicate.
    He actually averages 37 in Tasmania, which surprises me a bit, but I can't help but think him batting between 6 and 8 for his whole career reduces the impacts of greentop-era Hobart on his batting stats compared to top order bats. Kind of like the NZ engine room syndrome, by the time you've got 5 or 6 wickets, even on a greentop, the ball's getting a bit older and is doing a bit less, so batting becomes a bit easier.

    So many caveats when rating Forkers. I think he's about a 34/27 split, not 32/24.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riggins View Post
    I don't reckon Behrendorff is much chop.
    Any particular reason why? I've quite liked the look of him, from everything I've seen.

    Certainly a limited overs prospect IMO (I can see Starc/Behrendorff/Richardson/Faulkner being a regularODI attack when Test guys are rested), but I reckon he's good enough to be a depth Test quick too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Johnson, Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Harris, Siddle, Bollinger, Hilfenhaus, Behrendorff, Bird all > Faulkner as a Test match bowler.

    The first 5 for being out-and-out better bowlers in every way.
    The next 3 for being experienced at Test level and knowing how to get people out.
    The final 2 for being far more complete bowlers capable of taking wickets.
    I'd also have Chadd Sayers fractionally above Faulkner, but accept that is very contestable.

    Cummins is highly rated, and rightfully so, but should be nowhere near Test selection until he strings some decent red ball cricket behind him.
    Bird, yes. I completely forgot about him. Assuming he starts bowling more like he was pre-injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Any particular reason why? I've quite liked the look of him, from everything I've seen.

    Certainly a limited overs prospect IMO (I can see Starc/Behrendorff/Richardson/Faulkner being a regularODI attack when Test guys are rested), but I reckon he's good enough to be a depth Test quick too.
    Well yeah I meant in terms of red ball stuff. I just think he has the same issues that confront Starc (struggles with ball older than 25 overs, when it's not swinging, leaks runs etc.) without having the same sort of natural gifts that should allow Starc to find a way to be effective when it's not great conditions.


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    Bird, yes. I completely forgot about him. Assuming he starts bowling more like he was pre-injury.
    surprising you forgot Bird after watching so much of Tas in the Shield tbh
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    When it comes to WA bowlers, there's always a little part of me that wonders how much their bowling is affected by playing so much at the WACA, given its quite unique conditions and how effective they would be overall in a wide variety of conditions. I don't know if it's an unreasonable question to ask but it might factor in somewhere. Especially for left-armers.

    Behrendorff is definitely a class act though IMO.

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    I wholehearted agree with the the call as Forkers as a 4th quick No.7 bat. Not good enough to be pressing for a top 3 quick position but handy enough to do a job, not good enough to bat 6 but probably better than a no.8. Just that as noted above we can't really use one of those at the moment. Perhaps in India he might get a game when we're looking to play extra spin options or if you had a top six bat that was also your no.1 spinner, but otherwise he's a square peg in a round hole for our test balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dermo View Post
    i've come round to faulkers a lot but socials point that he always delivers is non existent in red ball cricket

    back of the hand slower balls in the powerplay and an uncanny ability to slog balls over midwicket for 6 in clutch situations have absolutely no correlation to away ashes or subcontinent cricket, the two kinds we still have a long way to go on

    imo he's behind mmarsh, watson and henriques as a fast bowling all rounder
    When he was playing regular FC cricket, he did a pretty good job of coming up big for Tassie when they were in trouble, bat or ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Johnson, Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Harris, Siddle, Bollinger, Hilfenhaus, Behrendorff, Bird all > Faulkner as a Test match bowler.

    The first 5 for being out-and-out better bowlers in every way.
    The next 3 for being experienced at Test level and knowing how to get people out.
    The final 2 for being far more complete bowlers capable of taking wickets.
    I'd also have Chadd Sayers fractionally above Faulkner, but accept that is very contestable.

    Cummins is highly rated, and rightfully so, but should be nowhere near Test selection until he strings some decent red ball cricket behind him.
    Hilf ain't in front of Faulkner now. And I don't think Behrendorff would be either; force of personality would push him ahead of some of those guys IMO.

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    Is it weird that I have doubts that Johnson should be in our starting XI in the Ashes? His record in England is generally pretty poor, and I think their conditions should suit Hazlewood and Starc like a glove.....

    On the other hand, he did pretty much single-handedly destroy England in 2013/14.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    Faulkner is easily good enough to play as a specialist Test bowler, but it's correct saying he is behind Harris/Johnson/Starc/Hazelwood and possibly Pattinson (he would be a much better selection than Cummins IMO, on bowling alone)
    possibly pattinson? a fit and healthy patto is comfortably our third best bowler imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riggins View Post
    surprising you forgot Bird after watching so much of Tas in the Shield tbh
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    Is it weird that I have doubts that Johnson should be in our starting XI in the Ashes? His record in England is generally pretty poor, and I think their conditions should suit Hazlewood and Starc like a glove.....

    On the other hand, he did pretty much single-handedly destroy England in 2013/14.....
    '09 wasn't great but its certainly not enough to cause a drop 5 years later. After NZ 2010 Johnson was bowling **** everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dermo View Post
    possibly pattinson? a fit and healthy patto is comfortably our third best bowler imo
    In the long run, absolutely. I've always rated Pattinson ahead of Hazlewood, Starc (until recently) and Cummins. But he's had a shocking time lately with injuries and form in the Shield final.

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