Cause Slifer said so.........!!!!
Harbahajn averages sub 25 in New Zealand, Swann hasn't played in New Zealand.
They are about equal in West Indies and South Africa - Swann edges him out marginally in both places but you will have to factor in that Harbhajan probably played against stronger WI line-ups - Lara alone would make a big difference.
Australia - well Swann was definitely better in Australia despite not being all that flash himself but I dunno, the batting line-ups Harbhajan faced in Australia were superior to any Swann has faced anywhere, let alone Australia.
I'll give Swann Sri Lanka. As for Pakistan, again Harbhajan was crap in Pakistan but this was on pitches were the Sehwags and Younis Khans were smashing 200s for fun. Compare that to how the spinners performed and what the scores were in the 2 matches Swann played against Pakistan in the UAE.
It would be unfair on Swann to say he faced a crap Indian line-up in India but clearly it wasn't the same Indian line-up of the past (Tendulkar was totally hopeless against spin). Can't hold that against Swann though because it would have definitely been held against him if he had failed. So yeah, all said and done it was an impressive performance. Harbhajan's 2001 Australia series shades it and anything Swann has ever done though.
While I'd agree that Swann has been better than Harbhajan on the road, I don't think the difference is anywhere near as big as it is being made out to be.
Harbhajan definitely being underrated here. He had a poor last 4 years or so but before that he was one of the very best spinners on the world. There are two things which color people's opinions, imo. One is that he played his entire career when Warne and Murali dominated world cricket and also alongside Kumble for India, and people failed to appreciate he was actually a very good spinner in his own right. Second is that he had one series which was so mind bogglingly sensational that people forget he was a quality spinner for a good 5 years after the as well. If it wasn't for his last 4 years when he bowled dross, he performed at swann's level or higher, that too for a much longer duration.
Still think Swann's slightly better but it depends on what you value from a spinner. Swann performed in more varied conditions than Harbhajan but he also had a ridiculously short career
4 years of bowling dross (and it wasn't someone bowling decently but just not hitting the highs they'd once hit, Harbhajan was rotten) is a pretty big black mark against someone.
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Harbhajan would have been rated higher if he had retired after taking 300 wickets rather then the 400 he ended up with was really gun till 2009 or so.
Swann's career a little too short for my liking and Harbhajan's a little too long :P
having said that I think Swann had a better stock delivery and looked more dangerous than Bhajji (at least from what I recall). Harbhajan never really spun the ball that much. But there isn't daylight between the two. It is pretty close IMO.
The fact that Bhajji didn't come across as a very likeable bloke probably doesn't help his cause
And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
I find it odd that these days 5 years and 60 Tests makes for 'a ridiculously short career'. Why was this discussion done in this thread anyhow?
So which Reality show will Swanneh turn up on first
Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.
He'll become a question of sport captain at some point.
The only thing Swann and Harb have in common is that they are both obnoxious weeds.
Hated Bhajji when he started bowling that ****ing leg stump line all the time before being dropped. Such a ****ty thing to do as a spinner on day 4 or 5 of a test match. Leg side filth that neither turned nor did anything really. Was a fan of the speeds he bowled at and the revolutions he imparted on the ball as a spinner when he was on form though. A proper turner would make his deliveries spit off the surface spectacularly as we saw in 2001.
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