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    Yes, Gower's long career in the end just wins out. It's a pity that McCabe couldn't play after the war like Bradman and Hassett did. Was he the same age as Bradman?
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    Favorite XI: WG Grace, VT Trumper, IVA Richards, DCS Compton, FMM Worrell (c), AC Gilchrist (wk), CL Cairns, SK Warne, FS Trueman, SE Bond, T Richardson 12th man: H Larwood

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    surprised Hanif is only at 70, would've thought he might be higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Yes, Gower's long career in the end just wins out. It's a pity that McCabe couldn't play after the war like Bradman and Hassett did. Was he the same age as Bradman?
    He was actually two years younger than The Don, but was plagued by ill-health and injury so there was never any realistic chance of him playing on after the war.

    I’ve just read something I'd never seen before about the reaction to his tragically premature death:

    “News of McCabe’s death was made public while Australia and England were playing in the Fifth Test at The Oval. After the death was announced over the public address system, the crowd spontaneously stood up and took off their hats, and did the players, and they observed a self-initiated moment of silence.”

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    65. Herbie Taylor (South Africa) (1912-1932)

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    Career Average: 40.77
    Adjusted career average: 47.42
    Adjusted away average: 35.53
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 47.22
    Top Tier centuries: 2
    Second tier centuries: 5
    Third tier centuries: 0
    Significant innings: 7
    Significant innings per match: 0.17
    Great innings: 2
    Innings worth average: 3.58

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 54.55


    Quality Points: 533
    Career Points: 70
    Peak Points: 121
    TOTAL POINTS: 723




    64. Martin Crowe (New Zealand) (1982-1995)

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    Career Average: 45.36
    Adjusted career average: 43.98
    Adjusted away average: 41.75
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 44.88
    Top Tier centuries: 5
    Second tier centuries: 1
    Third tier centuries: 9
    Significant innings: 21
    Significant innings per match: 0.27
    Great innings: 2
    Innings worth average: 3.14

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 59.13
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 53.62


    Quality Points: 515
    Career Points: 79
    Peak Points: 131
    TOTAL POINTS: 724




    63. Bill Lawry (Australia) (Australia) (1961-1971)

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    Career Average: 47.15
    Adjusted career average: 47.83
    Adjusted away average: 42.79
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 45.27
    Top Tier centuries: 2
    Second tier centuries: 7
    Third tier centuries: 4
    Significant innings: 20
    Significant innings per match: 0.30
    Great innings: 0
    Innings worth average: 3.13

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 60.31
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 50.18


    Quality Points: 537
    Career Points: 63
    Peak Points: 126
    TOTAL POINTS: 725




    62. Mark Waugh (Australia) (1991-2002)

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    Career Average: 41.81
    Adjusted career average: 42.13
    Adjusted away average: 41.06
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 44.48
    Top Tier centuries: 8
    Second tier centuries: 0
    Third tier centuries: 11
    Significant innings: 52 (rank 6)
    Significant innings per match: 0.41
    Great innings: 2
    Innings worth average: 2.82

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 50.89
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 48.28


    Quality Points: 508
    Career Points: 105
    Peak Points: 114
    TOTAL POINTS: 727





    61. Gary Kirsten (South Africa) (1993-2004)

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    Career Average: 45.27
    Adjusted career average: 44.26
    Adjusted away average: 46.83
    Adjusted top-opposition average: 43.23
    Top Tier centuries: 2
    Second tier centuries: 7
    Third tier centuries: 8
    Significant innings: 37
    Significant innings per match: 0.37
    Great innings: 3
    Innings worth average: 2.87

    25 Test peak adjusted average: 54.00
    50 Test peak adjusted average: 50.27


    Quality Points: 521
    Career Points: 92
    Peak Points: 118
    TOTAL POINTS: 731
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    Crowe's two great innings are his 188 against the West Indies at Georgetown in 1985 (13.89), and of course the 299 (13.15).

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    Wouldn't have picked MWaugh as better than Crowe or Gower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Wouldn't have picked MWaugh as better than Crowe or Gower.
    It's mainly for the sheer amount of innings he played which contributed to wins for Australia or led to Australia saving the match. 6th best of all time in terms of aggregate. It helped that he played in a very good team, I'll admit.

    I also wouldn't say he's better than Crowe. There are only 3 points between them.
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    Fascinating stuff, although hugely disappointing to see Stan McCabe so low - I blame Bradman - if he'd played some sport other than cricket I reckon Stan would have got twice as many runs as he did
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Fascinating stuff, although hugely disappointing to see Stan McCabe so low - I blame Bradman - if he'd played some sport other than cricket I reckon Stan would have got twice as many runs as he did
    I would have liked to seen him higher as well, along with Trumper.

    It's those great innings that they played which sticks in our minds the more we read about them, whereas a cold, heartless analysis would suggest that both men were somewhat hit and miss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    I would have liked to seen him higher as well, along with Trumper.

    It's those great innings that they played which sticks in our minds the more we read about them, whereas a cold, heartless analysis would suggest that both men were somewhat hit and miss.
    I prefer to think that, like Keith Miller, Stan needed a challenge, and that the cricketing equivalent of taking candy from a baby never appealed to him

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    Yeah, Trumper and McCabe are two shoo-ins for my all time personal favourites XI.

    It was often said of McCabe that he didn’t really have the temperament of a great Test batsman - not that he was mentally weak, but that he didn’t have the single-minded determination to score as many runs as possible no matter the circumstances ( like at least one of his contemporaries did) and that he didn't especially care for the nervous strain of it all either. Still, whatever that cost him in average points was surely made up for by the occasions where he touched the kind of heights that maybe half a dozen batsmen in history have ever gone near. I'm assuming his two Great Innings were the 187* and the 232 - how close was his 189* to Great status?

    It's no real surprise to see Trumper so low (relative to his reputation) either, given that this is a statistical exercise. The numbers show that while he was a successful Test batsman, he didn't statistically tower over his contemporaries - indeed, there were several series where he was a complete failure. Where he elevated himself, if we are to believe the near-universal opinion of those who saw him first hand, was in his breathtaking strokeplay - particularly in conditions where his teammates struggled to put bat on ball - and in the unquantifiable magic he brought to the crease.

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    Yeah, McCabe's great innings were the bodyline 187* (16.54) and the match saving 232 at Nottingham (20.11).

    The 189* against South Africa just misses the cut (12.37), due to only 2 Australian wickets falling in the innings (274 for 2).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Yeah, McCabe's great innings were the bodyline 187* (16.54) and the match saving 232 at Nottingham (20.11).

    The 189* against South Africa just misses the cut (12.37), due to only 2 Australian wickets falling in the innings (274 for 2).
    Fair enough, thanks.

    I haven't said it yet but this is fascinating stuff DoG, and I appreciate the (staggering) amount of time and effort you've put into this.
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    In the end it was all worth it, thanks.

    I don't believe anyone else in the world has done something like this, so that makes me feel pretty good.

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    well done, keep it going.
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    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


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    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

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