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    Haven't watched the entire innings, just the boundaries, but I like how Raval got either well back or used his feet to the spinners during his ton.
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    Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.
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    How the hell do you make the vault cooperate again btw? I remember having to sign into the fanzone, which has disappeared from the main page...

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    Yeah, it's also nice to watch an opener score a hundred without scoring a third of his boundaries through edges down to third man. Though that may well have something to do with the pitch flattening out.
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    Watching his bad KPIs in the vault now, but I really should have filtered it to make it more recent. Early on he did like to lunge forward with his bat beside his pad to the spinners.


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    Bartlett looks so awkward to face. Watching his good KPIs. Bounce and sharp movement back in to the batsmans testicles or ribs. He's one of those bowlers. Auckland better play him in the HRV Cup so we can get him under a gun.

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    New Zealand Cricket | Coaching system cops blame... | Stuff.co.nz

    New Zealand's coaching system is setting the Black Caps' batsmen up to fail on every overseas tour they undertake, says Jamie Siddons.

    The Australian masterminded Bangladesh's first one-day international series whitewash over the Black Caps, in 2010, and wasn't shocked to see a repeat on Sunday night.

    Defending 308, New Zealand lost by four wickets at Fatullah, condemning themselves to a 3-0 series clean sweep.

    The now-Wellington coach believes players in this country are ill-equipped to combat bowling that is anything but gun-barrel straight, which comes back to a fundamental flaw in coaching and skill levels. Until those are addressed, Siddons says fans can expect undesirable outcomes like Sunday night's.

    "It looked pretty similar [to 2010]. The conditions are a bit foreign to the boys, not that they turned a lot, just slower pace and facing some reasonable spinners with a bit of variation," Siddons said yesterday.

    "I don't think they [Bangladesh] were clearly better. I think they utilise their conditions pretty well and we weren't prepared for it or good enough to handle it."

    Which comes back to coaching. In the last year New Zealand have been utterly humiliated by South Africa's quick bowlers, struggled against the swing of England's James Anderson and now been undone by Bangladesh's modest spinners.

    None of which can be fixed by the throw-downs that batsmen tend to favour as a means of honing their game.

    "We need to practice tougher. We need to have wickets that turn, practice how to face faster bowling and swing bowling," said Siddons.

    "As soon as it's tough your batsmen are vulnerable and it's the coaching, it's the technical side of things, it's the mindset. It's certainly not mental.

    "I hear a lot of people say it's mental problems with the players, but everyone's trying. These guys don't get out because of mental mistakes, it's the skill levels.

    "It's hard work on the road. Those guys will come back here and it's flat and it's not swinging and it's not spinning and they'll be okay. But as soon as you go away and you're under pressure again against something you haven't practised against, then you'll have problems."

    Siddons was batting coach for New Zealand A during the winter and is sure that there's talent in this country. But he's equally certain that nearly all New Zealand batsmen have an array of flaws that can't be fixed in a play, travel, play environment.

    He's also sceptical about some of the selection choices he sees being made.

    "It's near-impossible [to coach players on tour], they're supposed to be ready when they get there. Supposed to be," he said.

    "Under our system I'm supposed to have these guys ready and they ask me about my guys and I tell them the truth. I say he's not ready, he's not going to be successful, wait, give him time, he's got this problem, he's got that problem.

    "They [the NZ coaches] can get them up and talk about plans and stuff, but if they haven't got that ability to run down the wicket, they can't run down the wicket. If they don't have the sweep shot before they get there, they're not going to develop one."

    Siddons knows he probably sounds like some Aussie know-all with no actual solutions.

    "Well, keep doing what you're doing, that's all I say. It's going well.

    "I don't have the answers, I'm just telling you why they're failing and why they're not successful often enough and it's not mental. I'm happy to be part of a panel to try and work it out, but I haven't got the answers."
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    Cricket | Jamie Siddons' guide to becoming a Black... | Stuff.co.nz

    Wellington coach Jamie Siddons talks Fairfax Media through the methods he's using to make Black Caps out of his Firebirds.

    Jamie Siddons scored more than 11,000 first-class runs, including 35 hundreds, during a 16-year career with Victoria and South Australia.

    His Sheffield Shield tally of 10,643 stood briefly as the all-time record and he was regarded as the most unlucky player of his generation not to play test cricket for Australia.

    Except the 49-year-old doesn't see it that way, now. He could only play one side of the wicket and while he could get by at first-class level, test bowlers would've figured him out pretty quickly.

    It's one of the reasons he attempts to build complete batsmen now.

    Some of Siddons' methods aren't conventional and he knows people whisper behind his back.

    "But at least I've got a philosophy," the former Australian batting coach and Bangladesh head coach said.

    Which all starts with the backlift. To listen to some people you'd think Siddons' Firebirds all set up like baseballers or guys at the top of golf swings.

    It's nothing like that exaggerated, although everyone has been required to adopt a higher one.

    "What's the point in going on? I won't coach them unless they change that. It won't work," Siddons said.

    "It's not a high backlift, it's having a backlift at the point of [the bowler's] release. It's fundamental."

    Even if plenty of players, like former Black Cap Craig McMillan, have survived without any backlift at all?

    "You don't get blokes with the strength or the power of him every day. If I look at [new Firebird] Henry Walsh, he probably doesn't need it, but 90 percent of blokes do.

    "All the Bangladesh players needed it because they couldn't compete with the big boys. Now they clear the fence no problem.

    "It's gone through their system and they're booming it. Mushfiq [Bangladesh captain Mushfiqur Rahim], smallest bloke in world cricket, hits it further than anyone.

    "It just makes sense. It gives you access to all your shots, it gets your feet moving. If you're picking your bat up, you're moving your feet."

    Where you point those feet is an issue too. Opener Michael Papps made it as far as the New Zealand team, while religiously pointing his front foot in the direction of cover.

    Now, at the ripe old age of 34, he's got his foot in line with the release of the ball, which is another thing Siddons insists on and, between that and a backlift, Papps can hit the ball down the ground for the first time in his career.

    You must be committed to improvement in Siddons' side and Papps' example proves that it can come no matter what your age. A burning desire to be a Black Cap is essential too.

    "We talk to these guys every day about what it's going to take if you're facing Dale Steyn or Morne Morkel or Shakib [Al Hasan]. Don't worry about what you're doing here; you've got to worry about being a success when you get to the next level. You have to be able to adjust. You have to be able to change what you're doing or it's not going to work.

    "I don't necessarily want you here if you're not going to be good enough to play for the Black Caps. Everything we do is about trying to get better. Whether they've got the skill at the end of the day or whether I'm here long enough to help them, I don't know."

    It takes time, especially when you can't devote all your efforts to an individual player like a tennis coach might. Siddons had almost four years with Bangladesh and it was only near the end that his work bore much fruit.

    But as he watched the quality of, say, Tamim Iqbal's batting in the just-completed test and one-day series against New Zealand, it gave him certainty that his methods work.

    Now in his third season with Wellington, Siddons says things aren't far from fruition here.

    "I try what I can and one guy with 20 blokes isn't always going to work that well. You need a great philosophy, you need blokes to buy in and then you've got to believe in something.

    "I wouldn't necessarily be believing in some Aussie who comes in and spouts his words. It's your own choice."

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    "It's gone through their system and they're booming it".


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    Interesting about the backlift. That might be something I can add to my own batting once I've successfully flat batted the first 10 overs.

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    I feel dirty saying this, but Siddons raises some good points in the first article, though I think many issues are mental too.

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    As much crap as Siddons (deservedly) gets for being a loud-mouthed cheerleader who likes to import his way out of trouble, I'm really glad somebody is coming out and rubbishing the "it's a mental thing" excuse. All the confidence in the world couldn't turn Dev**** into a international player.

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    thought Devcich looked allright on both the A games and the last ODI

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    Martin Crowe would be having a fit at the high backlift thing.

    And yeah, I mostly agree with the not-a-mental-problem bit. Although they do keep making the same ****ing mistakes over and over again, which is mental.

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    Really enjoyed those articles, good stuff Jamie.

    First article read a little but like positioning himself for jobs, protecting his reputation - but second one had no whiff of that.

    Really good to read technical analysis, so rare in NZ media about NZ players. Especially as batting technicalities isnt one of my strong points beyond the basics.

    Interesting about Papps. From the vault I could tell he had changed from the hobbit nurdler of the mid noughties to the rotund biffer of last season. Good to read about that with a bit more detail.

    Laughed at the "booming it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meridio View Post
    Martin Crowe would be having a fit at the high backlift .
    I thought that too, but interesting to get differing analysis.

    I guess it's a crazy t20 world these days



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