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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    but its good he's looking to reinvent himself with an eye to the test team, and nice to see he hasn't been given up on by the selectors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    A lot of people have had complaints about the A side but I haven't had too much to gripe about it
    Despite NZ success in the past being derived from men who's happily tell you what they're trying to achieve in a match and why (Hadlee, Coney, Crowe, Fleming, etc.), the more downcurrent and vague "he's a trier, multi-skilled, he's actually got some real X factor" hollow man selection policies are in fact as good a road as any these days. Good to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kippax View Post
    Despite NZ success in the past being derived from men who's happily tell you what they're trying to achieve in a match and why (Hadlee, Coney, Crowe, Fleming, etc.), the more downcurrent and vague "he's a trier, multi-skilled, he's actually got some real X factor" hollow man selection policies are in fact as good a road as any these days. Good to know.
    Well basically, my thoughts on A-team selection policy are in stark contract to national team selection policy because the team success of the former is irrelevant. If you for some reason think Devcich has what it takes to transfer his skills to the highest level and you want to give additional opportunities to prove that and develop his game then he absolutely should be in the A squad - as long as you don't start saying he should be in the Test squad if he performs well there the minute he does. So I've got absolutely no gripe with only a few of the slots being legitimately performance based; it's not your Second XI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Well basically, my thought on A-team selection policy are in stark contract to national team selection policy because the team success of the former is irrelevant. If you for some reason think Devcich has what it takes to transfer his skills to the highest level and you want to give additional opportunities to prove that and develop his game then he absolutely should be in the A squad - as long as you don't start saying he should be in the Test squad if he performs well there the minute he does. So I've got absolutely no gripe with only a few of the slots being legitimately performance based; it's not your Second XI.
    That's just common sense. Other than Phlegm's opinion on team success, no one really disagrees with that view. I just can't come up with a logical explanation as to how they came to the conclusion that picking Devcich is going to be more beneficial to NZ cricket than Raval. He'll be on the wrong side of 30 before the selectors could even justify picking him in a test squad and that's assuming he does well in completely different conditions back in NZ where he only averages 25.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Well basically, my thought on A-team selection policy are in stark contract to national team selection policy because the team success of the former is irrelevant. If you for some reason think Devcich has what it takes to transfer his skills to the highest level and you want to give additional opportunities to prove that and develop his game then he absolutely should be in the A squad - as long as you don't start saying he should be in the Test squad if he performs well there the minute he does. So I've got absolutely no gripe with only a few of the slots being legitimately performance based; it's not your Second XI.
    I think most of us barring Flem are in the same camp as you on this one. There's a reason Bracewell is playing even though he's a regular member of the black caps.
    However, there has to be some type of justification for why one player is deemed more likely to succeed than another. In the case of, say Milne, it's very obvious and easily justifiable.

    Others though, it's very difficult to see why they're in the A team. Sodhi was picked ahead of better performing spinners - I'd be fine with this if it was solely for his development. But then they picked him in the test squad.

    It's just inconsistent. The desire to pick players based on what they could be must be tempered by reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Well basically, my thoughts on A-team selection policy are in stark contract to national team selection policy because the team success of the former is irrelevant. If you for some reason think Devcich has what it takes to transfer his skills to the highest level and you want to give additional opportunities to prove that and develop his game then he absolutely should be in the A squad - as long as you don't start saying he should be in the Test squad if he performs well there the minute he does. So I've got absolutely no gripe with only a few of the slots being legitimately performance based; it's not your Second XI.
    Yeah an interesting angle, whether they have Ronchi so high precisely because they want to find out just how bad his play of two new balls can be, or whether it's for stupid "don't lose face to potential rival Siddons!" pissing contest reasons.

    I think as Devich showed by repeatedly berating the umpire for his wicket off a no ball the other night ("why didn't you refer the ball before?"), there are certain guys who are so inherently opportunistic and lacking in self-reflection that they'll never learn anything from your good turns tbh. It becomes a lot like giving your lunch money to a bully just this once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    That's just common sense. Other than Phlegm's opinion on team success, no one really disagrees with that view. I just can't come up with a logical explanation as to how they came to the conclusion that picking Devcich is going to be more beneficial to NZ cricket than Raval. He'll be on the wrong side of 30 before the selectors could even justify picking him in a test squad and that's assuming he does well in completely different conditions back in NZ where he only averages 25.
    I think everyone here has written Devcich off, but the bloke has taken his oppourtunity, there is presently a vacant opening berth alongside Guptill in the limited over side, with Nicol, Watling, Rutherford, Ronchi & Franklini all being tried with varying success. The fact that he could probably share the 5th bowler duties with Kane is an added bonus.
    Obviously Ryder is the natural fit for that role at the World Cup but there is no guarentee that he will be available.
    Devcich will probably never play a test for NZ, but they way he is playing this tour at the moment he might have forced his way into the limited overs squad for the Bangers, which I think comes out tomorrow.

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    Yeah, I don't have a problem with us having a look at Devcich for ODIs. He's done well in this series.

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    if devcich plays for nz on the back of his first ever good knock after years and years of being dire i will kill a puppy.

    and you can still pick a squad of players you like and keep it halfway balanced, even if you want to disagree with me that team success > individual success (though again if you want individual success then team success is needed because teams that lose are full of players who are sucking bar maybe one or two and not giving you any individual success)

    there is no excuse for the lack of specialist batsmen, especially openers, in this squad.
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    so i just checked whats up in the current one dayer and devcich has another half century, well played.

    now keep doing it and save a puppy.

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    OK peeps to tie their colours to the mast and reply for the record whether they are pro or anti Devcich. Pro means you wouldn't mind him being picked for NZ tomorrow.

    I am obviously anti and am quite stunned he has put together any performances of note for the A team and don't want to deal with the reality he may have improved from three years ago when I was first mortified by him.

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    anti

    has been ok in limited overs off the top of my head, but really needs one or two defining seasons where he makes himself at home in the ND side. from watching him in the last couple of years he simply wasn't very good.

    but he has a chance to make us consistently eat it this season.
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    Anti, go with someone who's proven he can make anchoring hundreds (admittedly on complete roads) in Papps. You've got your one chancer with limited light behind the eyes in Rutherford already imo.

    To Devcich's credit his wagon wheels are excellent in terms of a nice balance of shots. However, we spent just over a year trying to make another very meretricious bat in Nicol a thing, trying to get him away with a big bruising debut against a minnow as well.



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