View Poll Results: Do you believe?

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Thread: All Right Kiwis, Hand On Heart: Fulton/Rutherford - Do You Believe?

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    I've been saying since Fulton was unceremoniously dumped from the side he should be in there. I remember the 2006/07 Chappell Hadlee match at Hamilton (Matty Hayden 181*), and Peter Fulton was the forgotten hero of the match. He was superb.

    And with Rutherford, I've been saying since well before he was ready he should be there. He made a double ton at Seddon Park a couple of seasons ago, and frankly, I've never seen an innings like it. You get people score 200's where they look scratchy for periods of 20-30 runs, or even longer in some cases, but Rutherford was fantastic. Dominated from start to finish.

    And thank Christ bloody M.J. Guptill is gone. I may treasure the match ball from his 122* on ODI debut, but he hasn't done jack **** since that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
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    Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.
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    Guptill's actually a bit overrated in ODIs. When you factor in his fielding, he's a useful player. But he averages 29 against non-minnows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Guptill's actually a bit overrated in ODIs. When you factor in his fielding, he's a useful player. But he averages 29 against non-minnows.
    I had a good chat with Mark Richardson a while back (after the SA tour last season), and he agreed with all my statistical points, and said Guppy should piss off. And let's face it, with Neesham, Williamson, McCullum, McCullum, Taylor, Anderson, Munro and co all around the One Day team, fielding isn't a priority.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Sorry Flem, my bad, I meant his twin-centuries at Seddon. Watched so many games I get them muddled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Yeah, we broke his arm and made him look scratchy for periods in that one.

    Three of Rutherford's five tons have come against ND because he did some decent research on them before his comeback. ND, being the predictable creatures of habit they are, can't really fathom the idea of someone playing a cover drive ten times in a row and remaining at the crease.
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    Here's a simple way of working the Guptill thing out.

    Is he one of the top 6 batsmen in the country?



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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    Here's a simple way of working the Guptill thing out.

    Is he one of the top 6 batsmen in the country?



    No.
    Even if you wanted Guptill in the middle-order there's a pretty good case for both Ronchi and Broom to be ahead of him. Throw in Ryder in a year or so, and Guptill's some way down the list. That's not to say he wouldn't score more runs if he moved into the middle-order, he probably would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapil View Post
    I had a good chat with Mark Richardson a while back (after the SA tour last season), and he agreed with all my statistical points, and said Guppy should piss off. And let's face it, with Neesham, Williamson, McCullum, McCullum, Taylor, Anderson, Munro and co all around the One Day team, fielding isn't a priority.
    Is Munro considered a good fielder? I actually thought Munro looked a bit uncoordinated in the field during his time in internationals. Admittedly I can't remember if he did much wrong. He was brilliant in the Ford Trophy final the other day though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Is Munro considered a good fielder? I actually thought Munro looked a bit uncoordinated in the field during his time in internationals. Admittedly I can't remember if he did much wrong. He was brilliant in the Ford Trophy final the other day though.
    He's what one might term "at or above average". Which is all you really need in a side like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    Here's a simple way of working the Guptill thing out.

    Is he one of the top 6 batsmen in the country?



    No.
    In Limited Overs cricket, probably. In T20's, yes. In tests, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Guptill's actually a bit overrated in ODIs. When you factor in his fielding, he's a useful player. But he averages 29 against non-minnows.
    And worryingly, that is enough to make him important in our limited overs teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezroy View Post
    And worryingly, that is enough to make him important in our limited overs teams.
    He certainly looked head and shoulders above the rest of our opening options in the last series against England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    He certainly looked head and shoulders above the rest of our opening options in the last series against England.
    This. Especially when he came back later on in Hamilton... You know, lower down the order

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