Mitchell Johnson as a bowling all rounder?

Monk · 26-11-2012, 02:53 PM

Noticed that Johnson has been included in the squad for Perth. Johnson is a cricketer who polarises opinions. He can be a real match winner with the ball, or a real liability. His best is excellent, but his worst is very poor.

One thing I have always liked about Johnson is his batting. He seems capable of playing all the shots, and he has a sound defence. His average is over 20 with the bat, and he has a test century. Years ago I thought he had the capability to bat as high at seven in the test team.

Could this be a good time to try something different with the Australian line up? We have gotten nothing from the #3 and #4 batting positions so far this series, yet we are still level with the best team in the world.

I am thinking we should look at...

1. D. Warner
2. E. Cowan
3. S. Watson
4. M. Clarke *
5. M. Hussey
6. M. Wade +
7. M. Johnson
8. P. Siddle
9. M. Starc
10. B. Hilfenhaus
11. N. Lyon

Might be slight overkill on the bowling front, but it will relieve the pressure on the four front liners, and also mean that Watson will be able to be used sparingly.

Monk · 26-11-2012, 02:54 PM

The alternative is to play Hastings, who is in cracking form with bat and ball...

1. D. Warner
2. E. Cowan
3. S. Watson
4. M. Clarke *
5. M. Hussey
6. M. Wade +
7. J. Hastings
8. M. Johnson
9. P. Siddle
10. B. Hilfenhaus
11. N. Lyon

Monk · 26-11-2012, 02:55 PM

al rounder. Oops

flibbertyjibber · 26-11-2012, 03:02 PM

Bat Johnson at 3 if Watson is still unfit, can't do worse than Quiney.

Viscount Tom · 26-11-2012, 03:43 PM

And he'll probably run out fewer team mates too.

hendrix · 26-11-2012, 03:48 PM

You could afford to leave out Hilfenhaus or Starc for a batsman if Watson also bowls.

Black_Warrior · 26-11-2012, 05:40 PM

Calling Johnson a bowling all rounder is like calling Harbhajan or Gillespie or Akram bowling all rounders too..in the case of the latter two - they both have double centuries.

I would never go with 5 specialist batsmen..

If Pattinson is not playing, then you give Starc a go.
If Siddle is being rested, then you might consider Mitch.

8ankitj · 26-11-2012, 07:12 PM

Isn't Peter Siddle the best all rounder Australia has produced?

BoyBrumby · 26-11-2012, 11:42 PM

Haven't followed Oz domestic stuff at all this year, but hadn't Johnson's test batting jumped off a cliff before he got the arse from the XI?

benchmark00 · 27-11-2012, 01:58 AM

I just honestly can't believe the selectors have gone with Johnson. I actually thought and hoped Australian cricket had turned a corner.

I'm as flat as a biscuit after hearing he's been recalled to the squad.

Top_Cat · 27-11-2012, 02:25 AM

But he took 4-fa against Tassie!

Went for almost 4/over and Bird took 7 but hey.

uvelocity · 27-11-2012, 02:32 AM

yeah same, but you lose 4 bowlers in a few months, and it's the waca v saf and I think it's the only choice

hopefully its hilf/siddle/starc/lyon and he can **** back off anyway

Justo · 27-11-2012, 02:51 AM

He's still struggled to take domestic wickets at the WACA this year though. I think the recent additions to squad are all round quite poor compared to some of the other options available.

I am hoping both Siddle and Hilfy are fit even though I don't think both have been all that great so far this series and would have replaced at least one with someone else if in a position to do so.

uvelocity · 27-11-2012, 03:01 AM

what are the options? with 4 blokes down we will be considering playing our 8th in line seamer at the waca, which is either haze or johnson. outside of that you've got dougeh who has been out of favour and averaging 30, copes who finished off last season like a busted and only played 3 games or someone else uncapped and have the most inexperienced lineup since forever in the biggest match we've had in forever

benchmark00 · 27-11-2012, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uvelocity

what are the options? with 4 blokes down we will be considering playing our 8th in line seamer at the waca, which is either haze or johnson. outside of that you've got dougeh who has been out of favour and averaging 30, copes who finished off last season like a busted and only played 3 games or someone else uncapped and have the most inexperienced lineup since forever in the biggest match we've had in forever

Honestly Johnson would be the last state seam bowler in the country I would select.

He will actively cost us during the match, not just be ineffective.

Would've preferred Moises.

26-11-2012, 02:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,568	Mitchell Johnson as a bowling all rounder? Noticed that Johnson has been included in the squad for Perth. Johnson is a cricketer who polarises opinions. He can be a real match winner with the ball, or a real liability. His best is excellent, but his worst is very poor. One thing I have always liked about Johnson is his batting. He seems capable of playing all the shots, and he has a sound defence. His average is over 20 with the bat, and he has a test century. Years ago I thought he had the capability to bat as high at seven in the test team. Could this be a good time to try something different with the Australian line up? We have gotten nothing from the #3 and #4 batting positions so far this series, yet we are still level with the best team in the world. I am thinking we should look at... 1. D. Warner 2. E. Cowan 3. S. Watson 4. M. Clarke * 5. M. Hussey 6. M. Wade + 7. M. Johnson 8. P. Siddle 9. M. Starc 10. B. Hilfenhaus 11. N. Lyon Might be slight overkill on the bowling front, but it will relieve the pressure on the four front liners, and also mean that Watson will be able to be used sparingly.

26-11-2012, 11:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,620	Haven't followed Oz domestic stuff at all this year, but hadn't Johnson's test batting jumped off a cliff before he got the arse from the XI? __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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26-11-2012, 02:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,568	The alternative is to play Hastings, who is in cracking form with bat and ball... 1. D. Warner 2. E. Cowan 3. S. Watson 4. M. Clarke * 5. M. Hussey 6. M. Wade + 7. J. Hastings 8. M. Johnson 9. P. Siddle 10. B. Hilfenhaus 11. N. Lyon

26-11-2012, 02:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,568	al rounder. Oops

26-11-2012, 03:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
flibbertyjibber Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: England Posts: 7,933	Bat Johnson at 3 if Watson is still unfit, can't do worse than Quiney.

26-11-2012, 03:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
hendrix State Vice-Captain Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,292	You could afford to leave out Hilfenhaus or Starc for a batsman if Watson also bowls.

26-11-2012, 05:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
Black_Warrior International Debutant Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: TEF Posts: 2,447	Calling Johnson a bowling all rounder is like calling Harbhajan or Gillespie or Akram bowling all rounders too..in the case of the latter two - they both have double centuries. I would never go with 5 specialist batsmen.. If Pattinson is not playing, then you give Starc a go. If Siddle is being rested, then you might consider Mitch.

26-11-2012, 07:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
8ankitj International Captain Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hyderabad India Posts: 5,148	Isn't Peter Siddle the best all rounder Australia has produced?

27-11-2012, 02:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
Justo School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: QLD, Australia Posts: 102	He's still struggled to take domestic wickets at the WACA this year though. I think the recent additions to squad are all round quite poor compared to some of the other options available. I am hoping both Siddle and Hilfy are fit even though I don't think both have been all that great so far this series and would have replaced at least one with someone else if in a position to do so.

27-11-2012, 03:01 AM	#14 (permalink)
uvelocity Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: seamy road Posts: 8,251	what are the options? with 4 blokes down we will be considering playing our 8th in line seamer at the waca, which is either haze or johnson. outside of that you've got dougeh who has been out of favour and averaging 30, copes who finished off last season like a busted and only played 3 games or someone else uncapped and have the most inexperienced lineup since forever in the biggest match we've had in forever

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