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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Also saw Bruce Mitchell ahead of Herb Sutcliffe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I make absolutely no apologies for that one.
    Sutcliffe 4 lyf

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    Bowling is about who was the best at taking wickets, for the least amount of runs from the fewest possible balls and winning matches. Apparently heavily weighed for longevity and wickets per match which favors spinners and bowlers who played on weaker teams. No problem with Murali being #1 though, statistically the closest cricketer to Bradman or even possibly even if one factors in pure volume of wickets
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

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    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    wrong time to post that list PEWS
    I doubt he's going to lose any sleep over the fact that a couple of people don't agree with the odd person being ranked above another. It's a statistical ranking FFS.
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    This English top three are cornflakes. They're not the most exciting thing out but they're pretty effective. Then the middle order are the sugar. Would be too much on their own but added to the cornflakes they add some much needed interest

    When KP returns he will be the banana..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    I doubt he's going to lose any sleep over the fact that a couple of people don't agree with the odd person being ranked above another. It's a statistical ranking FFS.
    Especially since the vast majority of complaints since I posted it seem to revolve around the fact that - gasp - players who have performed well since I posted didn't have their future performances predicted at the time.

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    How could you not have taken Amla and Bell's respective future performances into account? Can't rely on you to do anything right it seems

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    **** you both
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Donald above Steyn..... RIDICULOUS!!
    I would more disagree with Pollock ahead of Donald. Or maybe I just don't rate Pollock because my last memories of him were his years of bowling at 125kph and getting carted all over the park in ODIs.
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    Pollock is rated above Donald by 0.003 points. If he'd retired a couple of months earlier, he would probably be below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Pollock is rated above Donald by 0.003 points. If he'd retired a couple of months earlier, he would probably be below.
    Yeah, but to me Donald is quite comfortably ahead of Pollock. As I said, may be viewing bias but to me Donald always led Pollock quite comfortably, regardless of stats.

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    Pollock was always a clear number two to Donald in my mind so Donald for me should always be a head of Polly and quite frankly it's not close.

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    When Donald and Pollock bowled together there wasn't a whole lot of difference between their bowling averages :-

    Donald alone = 122 wickets at 22.66
    Donald with Pollock = 208 wickets at 22.02

    Pollock alone = 232 wickets at 24.31
    Pollock with Donald = 189 wickets at 21.66

    Look at how close Donald's and Pollock's figures are. The averages are all around 22, the best in this analysis. Donald bowled as effectively without Pollock while Pollock needed the pace of Donald a bit more.

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    Tendulkar - M.Waugh - Ponting - Richards - Dhoni - Bevan - Kapil Dev - Hadlee - Akram - Garner - Muralitharan

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    Right Handed XI

    - Sunil Gavaskar
    - Jack Hobbs
    - Don Bradman
    - Greg Chappell
    - Viv Richards
    - Keith Miller
    - Alan Knott
    - Imran Khan
    - Malcolm Marshall
    - Shane Warne
    - Dennis Lillee

    vs

    Left Handed XI

    - Arthur Morris
    - Bill Lawry
    - Neil Harvey
    - Brian Lara
    - Garry Sobers
    - Frank Woolley
    - Adam Gilchrist
    - Allan Davidson
    - Wasim Akram
    - Hedley Verity
    - Bishen Bedi

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    Now wondering why there aren't more than 2 world class left-arm fast bowlers when there are any number of world class batsman and quite a few spinners.

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    What about Bill Johnston instead of Bedi? Possibility Monk?



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