The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread - Page 97

Prince EWS · 06-02-2013, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Coronis

Also saw Bruce Mitchell ahead of Herb Sutcliffe.

I make absolutely no apologies for that one.

Coronis · 06-02-2013, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

I make absolutely no apologies for that one.

Sutcliffe 4 lyf

kyear2 · 06-02-2013, 04:33 AM

Bowling is about who was the best at taking wickets, for the least amount of runs from the fewest possible balls and winning matches. Apparently heavily weighed for longevity and wickets per match which favors spinners and bowlers who played on weaker teams. No problem with Murali being #1 though, statistically the closest cricketer to Bradman or even possibly even if one factors in pure volume of wickets

Cabinet96 · 06-02-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by smalishah84

wrong time to post that list PEWS

I doubt he's going to lose any sleep over the fact that a couple of people don't agree with the odd person being ranked above another. It's a statistical ranking FFS.

Prince EWS · 06-02-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cabinet96

I doubt he's going to lose any sleep over the fact that a couple of people don't agree with the odd person being ranked above another. It's a statistical ranking FFS.

Especially since the vast majority of complaints since I posted it seem to revolve around the fact that - gasp - players who have performed well since I posted didn't have their future performances predicted at the time.

Cabinet96 · 06-02-2013, 11:05 AM

How could you not have taken Amla and Bell's respective future performances into account? Can't rely on you to do anything right it seems

smalishah84 · 06-02-2013, 11:12 AM

**** you both

MrPrez · 06-02-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Coronis

Donald above Steyn..... RIDICULOUS!!

I would more disagree with Pollock ahead of Donald. Or maybe I just don't rate Pollock because my last memories of him were his years of bowling at 125kph and getting carted all over the park in ODIs.

Cabinet96 · 06-02-2013, 11:42 AM

Pollock is rated above Donald by 0.003 points. If he'd retired a couple of months earlier, he would probably be below.

MrPrez · 06-02-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cabinet96

Pollock is rated above Donald by 0.003 points. If he'd retired a couple of months earlier, he would probably be below.

Yeah, but to me Donald is quite comfortably ahead of Pollock. As I said, may be viewing bias but to me Donald always led Pollock quite comfortably, regardless of stats.

kyear2 · 06-02-2013, 01:12 PM

Pollock was always a clear number two to Donald in my mind so Donald for me should always be a head of Polly and quite frankly it's not close.

watson · 07-02-2013, 03:43 AM

When Donald and Pollock bowled together there wasn't a whole lot of difference between their bowling averages :-

Donald alone = 122 wickets at 22.66
Donald with Pollock = 208 wickets at 22.02

Pollock alone = 232 wickets at 24.31
Pollock with Donald = 189 wickets at 21.66

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Look at how close Donald's and Pollock's figures are. The averages are all around 22, the best in this analysis. Donald bowled as effectively without Pollock while Pollock needed the pace of Donald a bit more.

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Monk · 07-02-2013, 08:23 PM

Right Handed XI

- Sunil Gavaskar
- Jack Hobbs
- Don Bradman
- Greg Chappell
- Viv Richards
- Keith Miller
- Alan Knott
- Imran Khan
- Malcolm Marshall
- Shane Warne
- Dennis Lillee

vs

Left Handed XI

- Arthur Morris
- Bill Lawry
- Neil Harvey
- Brian Lara
- Garry Sobers
- Frank Woolley
- Adam Gilchrist
- Allan Davidson
- Wasim Akram
- Hedley Verity
- Bishen Bedi

watson · 07-02-2013, 08:53 PM

Now wondering why there aren't more than 2 world class left-arm fast bowlers when there are any number of world class batsman and quite a few spinners.

watson · 07-02-2013, 08:57 PM

What about Bill Johnston instead of Bedi? Possibility Monk?

06-02-2013, 04:33 AM	#1443 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,490	Bowling is about who was the best at taking wickets, for the least amount of runs from the fewest possible balls and winning matches. Apparently heavily weighed for longevity and wickets per match which favors spinners and bowlers who played on weaker teams. No problem with Murali being #1 though, statistically the closest cricketer to Bradman or even possibly even if one factors in pure volume of wickets __________________ 1st XI Hutton \| Hobbs \| Bradman \| Richards \| Tendulkar \| Sobers \| Gilchrist \| Khan \| Marshall \| Warne \| McGrath 2nd XI Sutcliffe \| Gavaskar \| Headley \| Chappell \| Lara \| Kallis \| Miller \| Knott \| Ambrose \| Lillee \| Muralitharan 3rd XI Greenidge \| Morris \| Ponting \| Pollock \| Hammond \| Worrell \| Ames \| Hadlee \| Holding \| Trueman \| O'Reilly 4th XI Richards \| Simpson \| Sangakkara \| Weekes \| Border \| Walcott \| Botham \| Lindwall \| Laker \| Garner \| Barnes

06-02-2013, 11:12 AM	#1447 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,851	** you both __________________ And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's** picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

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06-02-2013, 11:05 AM	#1446 (permalink)
Cabinet96 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: London, England Posts: 4,051	How could you not have taken Amla and Bell's respective future performances into account? Can't rely on you to do anything right it seems

06-02-2013, 11:42 AM	#1449 (permalink)
Cabinet96 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: London, England Posts: 4,051	Pollock is rated above Donald by 0.003 points. If he'd retired a couple of months earlier, he would probably be below.

06-02-2013, 01:12 PM	#1451 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,490	Pollock was always a clear number two to Donald in my mind so Donald for me should always be a head of Polly and quite frankly it's not close.

07-02-2013, 08:23 PM	#1453 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,550	Right Handed XI - Sunil Gavaskar - Jack Hobbs - Don Bradman - Greg Chappell - Viv Richards - Keith Miller - Alan Knott - Imran Khan - Malcolm Marshall - Shane Warne - Dennis Lillee vs Left Handed XI - Arthur Morris - Bill Lawry - Neil Harvey - Brian Lara - Garry Sobers - Frank Woolley - Adam Gilchrist - Allan Davidson - Wasim Akram - Hedley Verity - Bishen Bedi

07-02-2013, 08:53 PM	#1454 (permalink)
watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,640	Now wondering why there aren't more than 2 world class left-arm fast bowlers when there are any number of world class batsman and quite a few spinners.

07-02-2013, 08:57 PM	#1455 (permalink)
watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,640	What about Bill Johnston instead of Bedi? Possibility Monk?

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