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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Jager

International Debutant
Just read a little into Wills' personal life - will leave him out of the squad after that. I also want to include the master captain and gentleman, Frank Worrell.

Heaven eleven
1. Jack Hobbs
2. Victor Trumper
3. Archie Jackson
4. Alan Kippax
5. Keith Miller
6. Frank Worrell
7. Don Tallon †
8. Harold Larwood
9. Fazal Mahmood
10. Brian Statham
11. Arthur Mailey

12. Denis Compton

This goes close to being my favourite team I've ever put together.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Just read a little into Wills' personal life - will leave him out of the squad after that. I also want to include the master captain and gentleman, Frank Worrell.

Heaven eleven
1. Jack Hobbs
2. Victor Trumper
3. Archie Jackson
4. Alan Kippax
5. Keith Miller
6. Frank Worrell
7. Don Tallon †
8. Harold Larwood
9. Fazal Mahmood
10. Brian Statham
11. Arthur Mailey

12. Denis Compton

This goes close to being my favourite team I've ever put together.
Lovely side. Delighted to see this.

Hobbs - Way above everyone else as an opening batsman and with Bradman a clear favourite amongst first picks in any all time side.

Trumper - Widely considered the greatest Australian batsman till Bradman started changing history and record books. The man was the first top order batsman to make a mockery of the "length ball"

Archie Jackson - Famously called by Cardus (I think) as the most gifted batsman of a generation which included Don himself.

Alan Kippax : The first great stylist to come from Australia. People went long distance just to see the beauty of his batsmanship.

Keith Miller : According to many the greatest all rounder for only he was, always good enough to play for Australia purely as a batsman at the same time as he was good enough to play for them as a bowler alone. The only other whose figures seem to suggest he should fit that category is Imran but those of us who have seen his entire career know it was divided into two parts. The first where he could have played for Pakistan purely as a bowler if he couldn't bat and the latter period where he could have played purely as batsman. The two periods almost never overlapped.

Frank Worrell - Probably West Indian cricket's greatest contribution to the game as well as the man who contributed most to West Indian cricket. Brilliant batsman, super fielder and one of the half a dozen greatest captains of a cricket side and perhaps the greatest leader of men to come from the game of cricket.

Don Tallon : Alongwith Bert Oldfield on top of the long list of fabulous wicket keepers to come out of Australia. The jury continues to be out on who was better between thse two though Bradman joining the side pleading for Tallon has done a lot to sway other members of the jury :o)

Harold Larwood : An absolutely inspired choice. In an era where stats confer greatness, the pick of the bowler who was made a scape goat to the politics of the bodyline series. Bradman's figures may or may not have had the magical 99.9 attached to them but had Larwood played in the 1934 Ashes series and beyond for England, I have no doubt Bradman's legacy would have been greater and the subsequent battles between these two giants would have been the stuff for the Gods.

Fazal Mehmood : Pakistan has produced, in Imran, Waqar and Wasim world class fast bowlers to stand proudly alongside the great Australians and the unending line of West Indians of the 70's and 80's but much before that, the young nation stepping into the game produced on to stand proudly alongside Bedser (a contemporary) and those like Maurice Tate from an earlier era. Fazal on his day was almost unplayable.

Brian Statham : Imagine Glen Mcgrath, the same nagging length but faster with occasional head-knocking bouncers and the ability to bowl at that level of aggression and accuracy for as long as the side needs. But for being the partner of the volatile and in-your-face Trueman Statham would be recalled by today's generation much more easily than they appear to do - the loss is theirs.

Arthur Mailey A colourful but controversial figure. Mailey was the world's leading leg spinner till the legendary Grimmett made his debut at a late age. O'Reilly followed and soon Mailey was no more ruling the roost.

Dennis Compton Alongwith Miller, the pin up boy of world cricket in the years just before and after the last world war. Compton batted till the end like a school boy out to enjoy the game in the sun. Needless to say that attitude coupled with his awesome talent gave immense joy and he was one of the world cricket's super stars in the post war era.
 

watson

Banned
Lovely side. Delighted to see this.

Hobbs - Way above everyone else as an opening batsman and with Bradman a clear favourite amongst first picks in any all time side.

Trumper - Widely considered the greatest Australian batsman till Bradman started changing history and record books. The man was the first top order batsman to make a mockery of the "length ball"

Archie Jackson - Famously called by Cardus (I think) as the most gifted batsman of a generation which included Don himself.

Alan Kippax : The first great stylist to come from Australia. People went long distance just to see the beauty of his batsmanship.

Keith Miller : According to many the greatest all rounder for only he was, always good enough to play for Australia purely as a batsman at the same time as he was good enough to play for them as a bowler alone. The only other whose figures seem to suggest he should fit that category is Imran but those of us who have seen his entire career know it was divided into two parts. The first where he could have played for Pakistan purely as a bowler if he couldn't bat and the latter period where he could have played purely as batsman. The two periods almost never overlapped.

Frank Worrell - Probably West Indian cricket's greatest contribution to the game as well as the man who contributed most to West Indian cricket. Brilliant batsman, super fielder and one of the half a dozen greatest captains of a cricket side and perhaps the greatest leader of men to come from the game of cricket.

Don Tallon : Alongwith Bert Oldfield on top of the long list of fabulous wicket keepers to come out of Australia. The jury continues to be out on who was better between thse two though Bradman joining the side pleading for Tallon has done a lot to sway other members of the jury :o)

Harold Larwood : An absolutely inspired choice. In an era where stats confer greatness, the pick of the bowler who was made a scape goat to the politics of the bodyline series. Bradman's figures may or may not have had the magical 99.9 attached to them but had Larwood played in the 1934 Ashes series and beyond for England, I have no doubt Bradman's legacy would have been greater and the subsequent battles between these two giants would have been the stuff for the Gods.

Fazal Mehmood : Pakistan has produced, in Imran, Waqar and Wasim world class fast bowlers to stand proudly alongside the great Australians and the unending line of West Indians of the 70's and 80's but much before that, the young nation stepping into the game produced on to stand proudly alongside Bedser (a contemporary) and those like Maurice Tate from an earlier era. Fazal on his day was almost unplayable.

Brian Statham : Imagine Glen Mcgrath, the same nagging length but faster with occasional head-knocking bouncers and the ability to bowl at that level of aggression and accuracy for as long as the side needs. But for being the partner of the volatile and in-your-face Trueman Statham would be recalled by today's generation much more easily than they appear to do - the loss is theirs.

Arthur Mailey A colourful but controversial figure. Mailey was the world's leading leg spinner till the legendary Grimmett made his debut at a late age. O'Reilly followed and soon Mailey was no more ruling the roost.

Dennis Compton Alongwith Miller, the pin up boy of world cricket in the years just before and after the last world war. Compton batted till the end like a school boy out to enjoy the game in the sun. Needless to say that attitude coupled with his awesome talent gave immense joy and he was one of the world cricket's super stars in the post war era.
Mailey was the world's leading leg-spin googly bowler until Shane Warne came along.
 

LongHopCassidy

International Captain
Mailey was the world's leading leg-spin googly bowler until Shane Warne came along.
Grimmett, Benaud, Chandra and Abdul Qadir would like a word.

Funnily enough, Mailey is still hanging onto the best-ever innings bowling by an Australian - 9-121.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Oh yes! I was actively playing the game then so as we sat watching from behind the bowler's arm we used to wonder, seeing that late alarming in-swing how the hell one was expected to play it. Batsman after top Indian batsman struggled like school children, the great Gavaskar included.

The only one to play him with a degree of assurance at his best was Mohinder Amarnath.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
Oh yes! I was actively playing the game then so as we sat watching from behind the bowler's arm we used to wonder, seeing that late alarming in-swing how the hell one was expected to play it. Batsman after top Indian batsman struggled like school children, the great Gavaskar included.

The only one to play him with a degree of assurance at his best was Mohinder Amarnath.
Wow....did you ever manage to play Imran?

I think social here had once faced Marshall and Imran in the nets in the late 80s and he said that even then Imran was pretty sharp
 

watson

Banned
Grimmett, Benaud, Chandra and Abdul Qadir would like a word.

Funnily enough, Mailey is still hanging onto the best-ever innings bowling by an Australian - 9-121.
That 9-121 was from the 1920/21 Ashes series (5 Tests). He went on to capture 36 wickets at an average of only 26.27 runs, and at a Strike Rate of an incredible 40.6 deliveries per wicket.

I'm not sure if there are better stat's for a leggie, or any type if spinner for that matter, during a Test match series. But if there are, I'd sure like to see them (against top notch opponents of course).

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
 
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Jager

International Debutant
The thing about Mailey, as gun as he was and as much as I adore him, he leaked runs. Gun strike rate but I'd prefer Grimmett to wear down the opposition, then get his man
 

kyear2

Cricketer Of The Year
Since the AT Englist team will be the hardest to pick, Lets start there. I Assume that everyone agrees with Hobbs so we will start with his partner. My vote goes to Hutton.
What says the masses?
 

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