Clash of the titans, Dhoni vs Bevan

smalishah84 · 25-08-2012, 11:43 AM

Hi Guys,

This question came up in the Dhoni vs Gilly thread.

Both bat lower down the order and are two of the best finishers the game has ever seen.

Who do you think is the better of the two?

kingkallis · 25-08-2012, 12:11 PM

The nail-biters we witnessed in 90s were the best. These days its a rare.

I still think Micheal Bevan is a better finisher than Dhoni. His match changing knocks were mind boggling. MSD has not played those kind of match changing knocks yet.

ganeshran · 25-08-2012, 12:27 PM

Dhoni is a more spectacular finisher, one who can play the big shots. Bevan was the busy bee who did it in 1s and 2s and could bat with the tail to finish the game. The difference in scoring patterns in the 90s in ODIs also contributes to their batting styles

With good bowlers in the side, Bevan would be the player of choice. If the bowling attack is poor and you never know what is a defend able total or are chasing a score that requires consistent accelaration, Dhoni would be more suitable.

smalishah84 · 25-08-2012, 12:34 PM

good point

AndyZaltzHair · 25-08-2012, 12:48 PM

Bevan if my life is on the line

Migara · 25-08-2012, 12:58 PM

Dhoni, just because of his insane SR.

Shri · 25-08-2012, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkallis

The nail-biters we witnessed in 90s were the best. These days its a rare.

I still think Micheal Bevan is a better finisher than Dhoni. His match changing knocks were mind boggling. MSD has not played those kind of match changing knocks yet.

Were you an ostrich when the final of the WC 2011 took place?

8ankitj · 25-08-2012, 02:51 PM

I have voted for Bevan. But not looking forward to deriding of Dhoni's absolutely tremendous ODI record.

kingkallis · 25-08-2012, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shri

Were you an ostrich when the final of the WC 2011 took place?

Ahhh, didnt know that game fall in your list of nail biters

Contra · 25-08-2012, 04:28 PM

It's absolute neck-and-neck at this stage. 2 more years of Dhoni doing doing well will put him miles ahead though.

Going for Dhoni. Unbelievable finisher, his ability to accelerate and post a big total gives him the edge on Bevan for mine.

uvelocity · 25-08-2012, 06:19 PM

Bevan. Dohni can win a game from seemingly after its well dead and buried, but in doing so puts pressure on others. Bevan always took the pressure away.

Bevan.

Dan · 25-08-2012, 06:27 PM

Dhoni does the whole "I'll plod along at a strike rate of 40 and make the other guy hit, until its 10 an over. Then I'll explode and actually do something".

Frustrating, IMO, because it heaps pressure onto the other batsman. He wins games from dead positions providing he has a batsman down the other end. I doubt he could be the same finisher if he didn't have a Kohli, Raina or Yuvraj down the other end.

If it was 8/110 (25) chasing 200, Bevan every day of the week. 3/200 (40) chasing 300, Dhoni.

As finishers, they play different roles. Ideally you would have both in an ATG XI. My vote goes to Bevan though, he was the master, and a childhood hero of mine.

Contra · 25-08-2012, 06:38 PM

rofl, so much misconceptions about Dhoni.

watson · 25-08-2012, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganeshran

Dhoni is a more spectacular finisher, one who can play the big shots. Bevan was the busy bee who did it in 1s and 2s and could bat with the tail to finish the game. The difference in scoring patterns in the 90s in ODIs also contributes to their batting styles

With good bowlers in the side, Bevan would be the player of choice. If the bowling attack is poor and you never know what is a defend able total or are chasing a score that requires consistent accelaration, Dhoni would be more suitable.

That's not quite true. When Bevan had no choice he could reach the boundary with monotonous regularity. His 185 runs (chasing 320) against an 'Asia XI' featuring Kumble and a young Razzaq has to be seen to be believed;

Michael Bevan 185* vs ASIA XI - 2000 Dhaka - YouTube

Incidently, Andrew Caddick should be prosicuted by the police and sent to gaol IMO.

(Thanks 'Ikki' for the video!)

smalishah84 · 25-08-2012, 09:05 PM

Dhoni's SR is outstanding and he is immensely cool under pressure too.

Bevan was extremely cool under pressure as well, had a lower strike rate, which I suppose was commensurate with the era that he played in but boy Bevan came across some fantastic bowling attacks and fought them down to the wire. What an awesome ODI player. If there is one batsman I would start building my team around in an ODI it would probably be Bevan. Having said that Dhoni would be the wk of choice

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25-08-2012, 11:43 AM	#1 (permalink)
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kingkallis International Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 5,720	The nail-biters we witnessed in 90s were the best. These days its a rare. I still think Micheal Bevan is a better finisher than Dhoni. His match changing knocks were mind boggling. MSD has not played those kind of match changing knocks yet. __________________ CricZo XI - Draft League Season 1 M Hayden, G Gooch, R Dravid, W Hammond, K Pietersen, G Sobers, R Marsh (wk), R Benaud (c), D Steyn, W Hall, N Adcock Season 2 J Hobbs, B Richards, D Boon, H Taylor, C Lloyd (c), A Stewart (wk), T Goddard, A Davidson, H Tayfield, C Ambrose, H Griffith Season 3 H Sutcliffe, M Hayden, I Chappell (c), G Pollock, A Faulkner, M Hussey, D Lindsay (wk), I Botham, A Kumble, M Marshall, D Lillee

25-08-2012, 12:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
ganeshran International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: India Posts: 2,295	Dhoni is a more spectacular finisher, one who can play the big shots. Bevan was the busy bee who did it in 1s and 2s and could bat with the tail to finish the game. The difference in scoring patterns in the 90s in ODIs also contributes to their batting styles With good bowlers in the side, Bevan would be the player of choice. If the bowling attack is poor and you never know what is a defend able total or are chasing a score that requires consistent accelaration, Dhoni would be more suitable. __________________ Get well soon Yuvi!!

25-08-2012, 12:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Migara International Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colombo, SL Posts: 5,175	Dhoni, just because of his insane SR. __________________ Diuretics are used to look good at TV shows I played for 20 years in the Lankan team, I did not have any problems as a Tamil - Muralidaran

25-08-2012, 12:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,862	good point

25-08-2012, 02:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
8ankitj International Captain Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Hyderabad India Posts: 5,148	I have voted for Bevan. But not looking forward to deriding of Dhoni's absolutely tremendous ODI record. Last edited by 8ankitj; 25-08-2012 at 02:52 PM.

25-08-2012, 04:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
Contra International Regular Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3,183	It's absolute neck-and-neck at this stage. 2 more years of Dhoni doing doing well will put him miles ahead though. Going for Dhoni. Unbelievable finisher, his ability to accelerate and post a big total gives him the edge on Bevan for mine.

25-08-2012, 06:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dan Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,101	Dhoni does the whole "I'll plod along at a strike rate of 40 and make the other guy hit, until its 10 an over. Then I'll explode and actually do something". Frustrating, IMO, because it heaps pressure onto the other batsman. He wins games from dead positions providing he has a batsman down the other end. I doubt he could be the same finisher if he didn't have a Kohli, Raina or Yuvraj down the other end. If it was 8/110 (25) chasing 200, Bevan every day of the week. 3/200 (40) chasing 300, Dhoni. As finishers, they play different roles. Ideally you would have both in an ATG XI. My vote goes to Bevan though, he was the master, and a childhood hero of mine.

25-08-2012, 06:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
Contra International Regular Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3,183	rofl, so much misconceptions about Dhoni.

25-08-2012, 09:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,862	Dhoni's SR is outstanding and he is immensely cool under pressure too. Bevan was extremely cool under pressure as well, had a lower strike rate, which I suppose was commensurate with the era that he played in but boy Bevan came across some fantastic bowling attacks and fought them down to the wire. What an awesome ODI player. If there is one batsman I would start building my team around in an ODI it would probably be Bevan. Having said that Dhoni would be the wk of choice

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