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    I've seen two articles from NZ press, both trying to lay blame at Taylor, with the caveat of "yes, NZ stuffed up" for one line, and spending the rest of the time castigating Ross. Seems weird.

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    Well Richard Boock's brother Stephen is the president of the NZC board. So I guess this is the unofficial word from the NZC board i.e. 'we did nothing wrong... oh no it couldn't possibly be our fault... it wasn't as bad as was made out... it's all Ross Taylor's fault'.

    Say it enough times and people will start to believe it unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    I've seen two articles from NZ press, both trying to lay blame at Taylor, with the caveat of "yes, NZ stuffed up" for one line, and spending the rest of the time castigating Ross. Seems weird.
    Yes the phrase 'handled appallingly' has been trotted recently in the media followed by 'but........'.

    'Handled appallingly' is so far from the full story that it's almost a euphemism. It implies some sort of situation completely outside of anyone's control just arose of it's own will, and the worst Hesson, White, the Board etc did was merely respond a little inadequately and not make the right noises to the media.

    So I guess that PR team NZC hired are doing their jobs
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    Quote Originally Posted by banquetbear View Post
    ...did anyone read the Richard Boock article today in the Hearld?

    Ross Taylor NZ Cricket Richard Boock | Stuff.co.nz

    This is the "new meme" thats being trotted out, there was another article earlier this week with similar sentiment on the radio today as well.

    I know that Boock has inside information from the team: and he has been on the attack against Taylor since he made his "Taylor is abusive" allegations a few weeks ago.

    If, according to Boock, Taylors abuse of players was so bad it had become an employment issue, why is he in such a rush to get Taylor back into the side? The truth of course, is that Richard Boock is trolling: but he is IMHO expressing the "opinions" of some in the team, and I really want to know who these people are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post

    So I guess that PR team NZC hired are doing their jobs
    ...they are actually using the "Karl Rovian" method of "creating their own reality." Repeat something often enough, and get enough people to repeat it, and "reality is substituted by a new reality."

    So far Boock has tried to convince us that Ross Taylor was abusing players in the dressing room. That he had "lost the dressing room." That he had lost the respect of the players. That McCullum is a more exciting, risk taking captain that would be better for the team. Now he (and others) are trying to make Taylor look like a spoilt, petulant brat. No mention of the terrible shot that McCullum decided to play yesterday in his first over against spin. No mention of all the prep work the NZ team has done this week has been to prepare them against a style of bowling they weren't likely to face. Yesterday's performance was the fault of a man in another country thousands of miles away.

    The problem is that this is actually how Richard Boock see's it. And he's not the only one: there are others in NZ Cricket who see it the same way. There are people in the team who see it the same way. They have created their "own reality" and are continuing on, blissfully unaware of how the real cricket fan perceives the issue.

    NZ Cricket doesn't need a risk-taking inexperienced captain and an inexperienced poor communicator coach. What it needed walked away from the team last year and got fired a few months ago. And as a long time fan of NZ Cricket who, last year started to really fall back in love with a team that was starting to get into a pattern of winning, I'm heartbroken. Last season the team fought. We lost some games: but we won two hard fought tests and we managed to hold out for some respectable draws. This year: apart from Taylor's fighting knock, the "heart" is all gone. And its "heart" that makes a good team great. Winning is a habit. It was a habit we were starting to get into last season. Its all uphill from here.

    Sorry for the rant: long time cricket supporter who is currently absolutely shattered right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by banquetbear View Post
    did anyone read the Hearld?
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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post

    So I guess that PR team NZC hired are doing their jobs
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by banquetbear View Post
    ...they are actually using the "Karl Rovian" method of "creating their own reality." Repeat something often enough, and get enough people to repeat it, and "reality is substituted by a new reality."

    So far Boock has tried to convince us that Ross Taylor was abusing players in the dressing room. That he had "lost the dressing room." That he had lost the respect of the players. That McCullum is a more exciting, risk taking captain that would be better for the team. Now he (and others) are trying to make Taylor look like a spoilt, petulant brat. No mention of the terrible shot that McCullum decided to play yesterday in his first over against spin. No mention of all the prep work the NZ team has done this week has been to prepare them against a style of bowling they weren't likely to face. Yesterday's performance was the fault of a man in another country thousands of miles away.
    It's how dysfunctional organisations work (for NZC you can tick off most of the common problems listed here). Something goes wrong and if none of those in positions of power have both insight and courage then they look around at each other and band together to protect themselves and their peers. If some underling needs to be hung out to dry then that's just what happens - and the national team's captain is certainly a mere underling in the corporate-style heirarchy they've drawn for themselves (the coach is the captain's 'boss' ffs).

    So either Taylor must be wrong or all of Hesson, White and the Board must be in the wrong. It's a dysfunctional organisation so the question of who is actually in the right is not important.

    That's enough cynical complaining from me... I'm usually a very optimistic person believe it or not
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    I mentioned it in the SA tour thread, but Jeremy Coney, a voice of reason if ever there was one, was as close to scathing about Hesson as someone as urbane as Jez is ever going to get on the UK Sky coverage.

    He doubted Hesson's credentials for the job and more or less accused him of telling porkies about the whole "stripping Taylor of the captaincy" debacle.
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    WTF Chris Rattue?

    So the first article was just to get a few thousand extra clicks and links then? I guess it worked.

    Chris Rattue: Reinstate Taylor as skipper - Sport - NZ Herald News

    Doing a u-turn. Eating humble pie. Backtracking.

    Pair must learn to work together, and if that can't be achieved then coach Hesson is the man who should go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    WTF Chris Rattue?

    So the first article was just to get a few thousand extra clicks and links then? I guess it worked.

    Chris Rattue: Reinstate Taylor as skipper - Sport - NZ Herald News
    Yeah, I saw that article and let out a good wtf myself.

    He's still taken another dozen cheap potshots at Taylor though, so not quite the full u-turn (that'll be next week...).
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    ...Deaker has just called for a clean-out of NZ cricket. He says he had a long chat with a NZ cricket insider today who told him the agenda's of people at the top of NZ Cricket. He said he couldn't name names: then proceeded to name Bill Francis and Chris Moller in an unrelated matter.

    Waiting for the investigative journalists to get hold of this: there is an agenda here, but I can't see what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by banquetbear View Post
    ...Deaker has just called for a clean-out of NZ cricket. He says he had a long chat with a NZ cricket insider today who told him the agenda's of people at the top of NZ Cricket. He said he couldn't name names: then proceeded to name Bill Francis and Chris Moller in an unrelated matter.

    Waiting for the investigative journalists to get hold of this: there is an agenda here, but I can't see what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcas0167 View Post
    Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice. - Napoleon Bonaparte.
    ...but there is evidence of malice.

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    So after a nice high for a couple of weeks after the Colombo test, I'm back to pretty much full doom and gloom now. Yes we'll be a much better side with the reintroduction of Taylor and Southee (and an even better one in the unlikely event that Ryder and Vettori are ready to play), but the same old problems persist that are always going to hold us back. We have no test class top 3 batsmen in the country. One wicket usually leads to a couple more. The bowling is over reliant on the new ball to cause damage etc.

    What this latest shambles these evening also makes plain is that neither Brownlie nor Watling are the answer to our top order woes, and should stay where they are now.

    Still reckon it'll be 5-0 to England (weather permitting).
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