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  • Cabinet96's XI

    1 4.55%
  • kingkallis' XI

    8 36.36%
  • watson's XI

    3 13.64%
  • Eds' XI

    15 68.18%
  • kyear2's XI

    8 36.36%
  • Blakus' XI

    5 22.73%
  • Himannv's XI

    4 18.18%
  • AndyZaltzHair's XI

    5 22.73%
  • MrPrez's XI

    4 18.18%
  • Cevno's XI

    3 13.64%
  • Jager's XI

    7 31.82%
  • Marcuss' XI

    2 9.09%
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    Draft League Round 1 Voting Thread

    Rules
    1. Please vote for who you think are the three best teams.
    2. Please do not vote for your own team (even if you do think it is the strongest!)
    3. Any writeups can be posted below.

    Cabinet96’s XI

    1. Len Hutton
    2. Bruce Mitchell
    3. David Gower
    4. Mike Hussey
    5. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
    6. Clyde Walcott +
    7. Keith Miller
    8. Fazal Mahmood
    9. Jim Laker
    10. Alec Bedser
    11. Courtney Walsh

    12. Damien Martyn

    kingkallis’ XI

    1. Matthew Hayden
    2. Graham Gooch
    3. Rahul Dravid
    4. Wally Hammond
    5. Kevin Pietersen
    6. Garry Sobers
    7. Rod Marsh+
    8. Richie Benaud
    9. Dale Steyn
    10. Wes Hall
    11. Neil Adcock

    12. George Lohmann

    watson’s XI

    1. Bob Simpson
    2. Mark Taylor
    3. Rohan Kanhai
    4. Greg Chappell
    5. Mushtaq Mohammad
    6. Lindsay Hassett
    7. Alan Knott+
    8. Hedley Verity
    9. Andy Roberts
    10.Michael Holding
    11.Glen McGrath

    12. Tony Greig

    Eds’ XI

    1. Barry Richards
    2. Gordon Greenidge
    3. Charlie Macartney
    4. Brian Lara
    5. AB De Villiers
    6. Frank Worrell*
    7. Jeff Dujon+
    8. Kapil Dev
    9. Malcolm Marshall
    10. Hugh Tayfield
    11. Joel Garner

    12. Eddie Barlow

    kyear2’s XI

    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Vijay Merchant
    3. Ricky Ponting*
    4. Everton Weekes
    5. Ted Dexter
    6. Martin Crowe
    7. Dennis Lindsay+
    8. Shane Warne
    9. John Snow
    10. Colin Croft
    11. Allan Donald

    12. Richie Richardson

    Blakus’ XI

    1. Sunil Gavaskar
    2. Herbert Sutcliffe
    3. Viv Richards
    4. Graeme Pollock
    5. Kumar Ranitsinhji
    6. Kumar Sangakkara+
    7. Warwick Armstrong*
    8. Peter Pollock
    9. Hugh Trumble
    10. Frederick Spofforth
    11. Sydney Barnes

    12. John Waite

    Himannv’s XI

    1. Bill Lawry
    2. Hanif Mohammad
    3. George Headley
    4. Ken Barrington
    5. Denis Compton
    6. Peter May
    7. Imran Khan*
    8. Godfrey Evans+
    9. Alan Davidson
    10. Derek Underwood
    11. Frank Tyson

    12. Bobby Peel

    AndyZaltzHair’s XI

    1. Bill Ponsford
    2. Arthur Morris
    3. Ian Chappell
    4. Eddie Paynter
    5. Clive Lloyd*
    6. Frank Woolley
    7. Les Ames+
    8. Ray Lindwall
    9. Dennis Lillee
    10. Fred Trueman
    11. Clarrie Grimmett

    12. Zaheer Abbas

    MrPrez’s XI

    1. Victor Trumper
    2. Bill Woodfull*
    3. Hashim Amla
    4. Jaques Kallis
    5. Allan Border
    6. Younis Khan
    7. Ian Healy+
    8. Mike Procter
    9. Bob Willis
    10. Brian Statham
    11. Muttiah Muralitharan

    12. Saqlain Mushtaq

    Cevno’s XI

    1. WG Grace
    2. Virender Sehwag
    3. Mohammad Yousuf
    4. Inzamam-ul-Haq
    5. Mahela Jayawardene
    6. Andy Flower+
    7. Richard Hadlee
    8. Shaun Pollock
    9. Wasim Akram
    10. Anil Kumble
    11. Shane Bond


    12. VVS Laxman

    Jager’s XI

    1. Gary Kirsten
    2. Douglas Jardine*
    3. Neil Harvey
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Dudley Nourse
    6. Doug Walters
    7. Matt Prior+
    8. Wilfred Rhodes
    9. Harold Larwood
    10. Curtly Ambrose
    11. Waqar Younis

    12. Alec Stewart

    Marcuss’ XI

    1. Graeme Smith
    2. Geoff Boycott
    3. Stan McCabe
    4. Javed Miandad
    5. Steve Waugh
    6. Adam Gilchrist
    7. Aubrey Faulkner
    8. Ian Botham
    9. CTB Turner
    10. Bill O'Reilly
    11. Ian Bishop

    12. Trevor Goddard
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    Put up a poll imo.
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    Done. Went with MrPrez as my first choice, Himannv and then Eds (just).

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    Some good teams in there. Went with Blakus, Eds and Jager.


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    kyear, Jager, and AZH, for me.

    Did enjoy a few of the other XIs, though.
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    Eds, Himannv, AZH.

    Eds - best leader of men ever, a deadly WI-led bowling attack backed up by Dev and Tayfield, plus an opening combination that is familiar with each other and destructive. And that middle order...

    Himannv - not the most awe-inspiring openers, but they get the job done. Then an English middle order of incredible proportions, and a varied pace attack with Khan, Davidson and Tyson, would complement each other nicely IMO. Then Evans and Underwood are a fantastic combination to have.

    AndyZaltzHair - That bowling attack is godly. Trueman, Lillee & Lindwall providing the pace (and bowling all day), with my personal favourite leg spinner ever in Grimmett to back them up. Good opening batsmen and a strong middle order. Would have liked to see Abbas in the XI, though.

    Honourable mention to Marcuss - wanted to vote for you, but could only pick three.
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    SUMMARY

    This is a perfectly balanced team that is geared to win in all continents and on all types of wickets.

    It has three unquestioned ATG fast bowlers who can bowl with extreme accuracy, and in the case of Holding with extreme aggression. It has one of England's greatest left-arm spinners and one of Pakistan's greatest allrounders bowling leg-spin googlies. They are backed up by a superb slips cordon in the form of Knott, Taylor, Simpson, and Chappell.

    Both openers are orthodox and tough. The No.3 and No.4 positions are filled by arguably the greatest batsman in those positions bar Bradman himself.

    Hassett and Taylor and tactically brilliant and will bring out the best in this team by their happy and good nature.

    Because of it's balanced bowling attack, contrasting batting styles, brilliant fielding, and superb leadership this team will be very very difficult to beat on any type of wicket in any country.

    First Pick: Glenn McGrath
    Tests: 124
    Batting Average: 7.36
    Highest Score: 61
    Bowling Average: 21.64
    Bowling Strike Rate: 51.9
    5 Wickets/Innings: 29
    10 Wickets/Match: 3


    Selection Rationale
    First choice should be a great pace bowler with superb figures and proven to be excellent on all types of wickets.


    Deciding Factors
    Glenn McGrath is one of Australia’s greatest bowlers with a tally of no less than 563 Test wickets. His average and strike rate suggests that he is both accurate and lethal. From 1995 to his retirement he was arguably crickets most dominant and influential pace bowler.

    Second Pick: Michael Holding
    Tests: 60
    Batting Average:13.78
    Highest Score: 73
    Bowling Average: 23.68
    Bowling Strike Rate: 50.9
    5 Wickets/Innings: 13
    10 Wickets/Match: 2


    Selection Rationale
    Glen McGrath was not a bowler of express pace. Therefore a new ball partner that can intimidate the batsman with fast bouncers is highly desirable.


    Deciding Factors
    At The Oval in 1976 he created a West Indian record by capturing 14 wickets for 179 runs on a flat unresponsive pitch. His infamous battery of Brian Close in the preceding match underscores his ability to terrorise batsman as this video suggests;

    Fire in Babylon - Michael Holding vs Brian Close - YouTube

    Justifiably nicknamed ‘Whispering Death’ due to his soundless approach to the wicket. As Dickie Bird describes it in his autobiography (page 334);
    With other fast bowlers I was always aware of them pounding up behind me, getting closer and closer, until they exploded into action by my side. With Holding it was different. It was so quiet. Just like the calm before the storm. He would glide over the ground, smoothlessly and noiselessly, until whoosh, he rocketed past me at the point of delivery, and the ball arrowed its way through the air at a frightening pace.
    Third Pick: Andy Roberts
    Tests: 47
    Batting Average:14.94
    Highest Score: 68
    Bowling Average: 25.61
    Bowling Strike Rate: 55.1
    5 Wickets/Innings: 11
    10 Wickets/Match: 2


    Selection Rationale
    Deferred selecting a specialist batsman as Andy Roberts is unlikely to be still available in the next round. A logical choice due to his proven partnership with Michael Holding. The natural outswing of his action complements both Holding and McGrath who bowled very straight.


    Deciding Factors
    Assessed by some experts to be the greatest West Indian fast bowler of all time. According to Mike Selvey;
    His bouncer was regarded as one of the most dangerous. He varied its pace, often setting batsmen up with a slower one and then poleaxing them when they were late on the quickie.
    Fourth Pick: Greg Chappell
    Tests: 87
    Batting Average: 53.86
    Highest Score: 247
    Centuries: 24
    Bowling Average: 40.7
    Bowling Strike Rate: 113.3
    5 Wickets/Innings: 1


    Selection Rationale
    New ball attack chosen. Therefore it is now necessary to select a pivotal middle-order batsman who is capable of batting in a first or second XI ATG team.


    Deciding Factors
    In his autobiography (page 242-43) Jeff Thomson states that Greg Chappell was the best batsman of his era and slightly better than even Viv Richards;
    Viv Richards was another fabulous player. You always thought you had a chance with Viv and that’s why I rated Greg just above him.
    Chappell’s overall average against the West Indies in an era of ATG fast bowlers was 56.00.This would imply that Greg Chappell was one of the greatest players of fast bowling in the history of Test cricket.

    Fifth Pick: Alan Knott
    Tests: 95
    Batting Average: 32.75
    Highest Score: 135
    Centuries: 5
    Catches: 250
    Stumpings: 19


    Selection Rationale
    Unlikely to be able to pick a front-line spin bowler with significant batting skills at this point in the draft. Therefore a wicket-keeper who has a 30 plus batting average is vital to the balance of the team. Did not want to miss out on a ‘marquee’ batsman-keeper. Therefore Alan Knott selected relatively early in the draft.


    Deciding Factors
    Dickie Bird says it all in his autobiography (page 323);
    Without doubt, England’s Alan Knott is the doyen of them all. I am a great believer in picking your best wicket-keeper, whatever else he may or may not be able to do. He can be a piano player, a butcher, a labourer, or a candlestick maker, but as far as I’m concerned as long as he can keep wicket he should be in the team. People argue with me that times have changed. They claim that in this day and age a wicket-keeper has to be able to bat well. I disagree, but, in Knott’s case, that does not matter anyway. I have seen England reeling at 80 odd for 5 and Knotty has come fidgeting in to score a magnificent century which has saved a Test match.
    The match Dickie Bird is referring to was against Australia at Nottingham, 1977.

    3rd Test: England v Australia at Nottingham, Jul 28-Aug 2, 1977 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Sixth Pick: Hedly Verity
    Tests: 40
    Batting Average: 20.90
    Highest Score: 66
    Bowling Strike Rate: 77.5
    5 Wickets/Innings: 5
    10 Wickets/Match: 2


    Selection Rationale
    Left-arm pace bowler not selected. Therefore, a front-line left-arm spinner is preferred to give the attack variety. A 20 plus batting average is also preferred for the No.8 batting position.


    Deciding Factors
    Bradman’s autobiographer Roland Perry records in ‘Bradman’s Best Ashes Teams’ (pages 10, 447-48);
    Bradman’s selection of Verity in his ideal of the best-ever England team had much to do with his own experience of facing him. He made the observation: ‘I could never claim to have completely fathomed Hedley’s strategy, for it was never static or mechanical.’

    Verity, Bradman added, ‘did not have a breaking point’ like other great bowlers had. This meant, no matter how much punishment Verity took, he still came back with line and length. His left-arm spinners were always a threat. The Don could not break him. In the mind games of cricket, where dominance of one champion over another is paramount, the world’s greatest batsman ever was never confident that he had the Yorkshirman’s measure. No finer compliment could ever have been paid to a bowler.
    Bradman rated Verity’s 15 for 104 at Lords in 1934 as the best Ashes bowling performance he had ever witnessed. If we compare Verity to his predecessor Wilfred Rhodes we have a classic case of the apprentice finally becoming the master.

    Seventh Pick: Bob Simpson
    Tests: 62
    Batting Average: 46.81
    Highest Score: 311
    Centuries: 10
    Bowling Strike Rate: 96.9
    5 Wickets/Innings: 2


    Selection Rationale
    Front-line bowling attack and ‘marquee’ middle-order batsman selected. Therefore, the No.1 batting position is the next most important position. The best opening batsman still available should be selected at this point in the draft.


    Deciding Factors
    In the following analysis the author ranks Bob Simpson as the third greatest opening batsman;
    It Figures | Cricket Blogs | ESPN Cricinfo

    During the analysis he admits that;
    Bobby Simpson is the surprise package. The main reason is that his overall batting average is only 46.82. However his opening average is 55.52, that too, 52.55 at home and 58.48 away. His opening partnerships, mostly with Lawry, averaged 68 and he faced good quality pace bowling almost always.
    Due to his inate courage and adversion to the hook shot, Bob Simpson is the openers’ equivalent to Steve Waugh.

    Eighth Pick: Rohan Kanhai
    Tests: 79
    Batting Average: 47.53
    Highest Score: 256
    Centuries: 15


    Selection Rationale
    The No.3 batting position is the next most important position. The best No.3 batsman still available should be selected at this point in the draft.


    Deciding Factors
    Geoff Armstrong in his book ‘The 100 Greatest Cricketers’ writes;
    Rohan Kanhai was one of the finest No.3 batsman of them all. Of all cricketers to play Test cricket in the 1960s, only three – Ken Barrington from England, Garry Sobers from the West Indies, Graeme Pollock from South Africa – averaged more than 50 for their career. Kanhai played most of his Test cricket during the ‘60s, almost always batting at the fall of the first wicket . As a Test No.3 Test, the position that for most of the first 100 years of Test cricket was considered to be where a captain always put his best batsman, Kanhai averaged 52.69.
    In 1966 the historian CLR James wrote an essay about Rohan Kanhai. In the essay he describes an innings made by Kanhai against an England XI at Edgbaston in 1964. He had scored 170 in under 3 hours;
    Next day, Brian Johnson in the Daily Mail, Crawford White in the Daily Express, John Woodcock in The Times—three men who have watched critically all the great players of the last thirty years—made no effort to contain themselves: they had never seen such batting. Here and there some showed that in their minds the Everest conquered by Bradman had been once again scaled.

    They were wrong. Kanhai had found his way into regions Bradman never knew. It was not only the technical skill and strategic generalship that made the innings the most noteworthy I have seen. There was more to it, to be seen as well as felt. Bradman was a ruthless executioner of bowlers. All through this demanding innings Kanhai grinned with a grin that could be seen a mile away.
    A batting genius worthy to have along-side Greg Chappell in the middle-order.

    Ninth Pick: Mushtaq Mohammad]
    Tests: 57
    Batting Average: 39.17
    Highest Score: 201
    Centuries: 10
    Bowling Average: 29.22
    Bowling Strike Rate: 66.5
    5 Wickets/Innings: 3


    Selection Rationale
    A batsman with a good batting average who is also capable of taking regular wickets is desirable. The right-arm leg-spin of Mushtaq complements the left-arm orthodox spin of Verity and gives the bowling attack added variety and balance. Must be a significant improvement on the bowling skills of both Simpson and Chappell otherwise the subsequent slight drop in batting average becomes pointless.


    Deciding Factors
    One of only four men in Test history - Jacques Kallis, Sobers and Botham are the others - to have scored a hundred and taken five wickets in an innings more than once. Arguably Pakistan’s best allrounder pre-Imran.

    Mushtaq’s greatest game happened against the West Indies at the Port of Spain in 1977 when a total of 177 runs against Roberts, Garner and Croft, plus 8 wickets at 12.13 runs a piece catapulted Pakistan to a 266 run victory. The final turning point of the game was the wicket of Vivian Richards in the second innings. Stumped Bari, bowled Mushtaq.

    4th Test: West Indies v Pakistan at Port of Spain, Apr 1-6, 1977 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Tenth Pick: Lindsay Hassett
    Tests: 43
    Batting Average: 46.56
    Highest Score: 198no
    Centuries: 10


    Selection Rationale
    Due to an allrounder occupying the No.5 batting position it becomes vital to select a reliable batsman capable of both attacking or defending from the No.6 batting spot. Good leadership skills desirable as Greg Chappell and Bob Simpson were adequate but not great captains.


    Deciding Factors
    Lindsay Hassett was Wisden Cricketer of the Year in 1949. Wisden explains;
    Although ARTHUR LINDSAY HASSETT finished second to Bradman in the Australian averages, statistics convey but an inadequate impression of his true value to the 1948 side. In addition to his playing ability Hassett's cheerfulness and leadership, which extended to off-the-field relaxation as well as in the more exacting part of the programme, combined to make him an ideal vice-captain able to lift a considerable load off Bradman's busy shoulders...
    Hassett eventually become Australia’s captain after Bradman’s retirement and led his team to 14 victories and 4 defeats. Few captains have been more liked or respected;

    Richie Benaud (1994 Obituary):
    There are others who have made more runs and taken more wickets, but very few have ever got more out of a lifetime.
    Chris Harte, historian (1950):
    Hassett’s captaincy impressed from the start. His warmth of personality and sense of fun contrasted with Bradman’s efficient but cold methods. It was a happy tour with the players remembering particularly the hospitality offered to them.
    As well as being a fine captain Hasset was an ‘artful strokemaker’ who was renowned for attacking the bowling of Bill O’Reilly before the Second World War. After 1948 his skills became more pragmatic but he lost none of his ‘lightness of touch’. Lindsay Hassett is therefore the ideal No.6 who is able to both defend or attack according to circumstance.

    Eleventh Pick: Mark Taylor
    Tests: 104
    Batting Average: 43.49
    Highest Score: 334
    Centuries: 19


    Selection Rationale
    Should be left-handed to upset the rhythmn of the new ball bowlers. Should also be orthodox and reliable to balance the attacking middle-order batsman as well as an allrounder occupying the No.5 batting position. Unfortunate that the second opening batsman is selected last in the draft but achieving overall team balance was more important than picking another ‘marquee’ batsman in the No.2 batting position.


    Deciding Factors
    Mark Taylors greatest batting feats were before 1991 when he averaged 97.50 in a home series against Imran, Waqar, and Wasim, and then 49.00 in the West Indies against Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh and Patterson.

    A superb tactician and one of Australia’s best and most successful Captains means that he will be an excellent deputy to Lindsay Hassett.

    Twelfth Pick: Tony Grieg
    Tests: 48
    Batting Average: 40.43
    Highest Score: 148
    Centuries: 8
    Bowling Strike Rate: 69.5
    5 Wickets/Innings: 6


    Selection Rationale
    Should be a good allrounder capable of replacing Mushtaq Mohammad if the pitch has bounce and seam. Should be a good fieldsman and a nice bloke to have around carrying the drinks.


    Deciding Factors
    Powerful centuries against Lillee and Thomson in 1975, and then Holding and Roberts in 1976 imply both talent and resilience. Add six 5 wicket hauls, excellent slip fielding, plus good tactical awareness, and Tony Grieg is a very valuable 12th man.
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    Still deciding which 3 teams to go for.

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    Yeah, it's a tough job deciding. The next round of the League is aimed at making selections far more difficult - there will be less bona fide ATG's selected for sure. Will be good!

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    Watson's team with three good spin options (Verity obviously one of the greatest ever) which I like but my synesthesia really kills that side
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Watson's team with three good spin options (Verity obviously one of the greatest ever) which I like but my synesthesia really kills that side
    May I ask which selections/batting positions trigger it? Good to see Miller at 7, not 6 though

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    This is a tough choice. Might postpone it until tomorrow.

    Just a few comments about my team.

    Gavaskar and Sutcliffe make for the toughest defense It's possible to get in draft. I don't need to worry about the scoring rate though as once a breakthrough has been made(after the inevitable 100 run partnership), the opposition will be faced with the savagery of Richards, the power of Pollock and the grace of Ranji. Sangakkara and Armstrong cap of a frightening lower-middle order.

    Bowling wise, I have the most vicious minded medium pacers ever in Barnes and Spofforth to open the attack, backed up with the pace of the other Pollock brother in my team. Supporting them is the canny offspin of Trumble and the miserly legspin of Armstrong.

    Very satisfied with the allround balance of my team particularly the strength of my batting line-up,

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    Kingkallis, Eds & Jager get the Brumby votes.

    Love kk's top six, Eds has a wonderfully exciting looking line up including both BC Lara & MD Marshall and Jager's pace attack skippered by DRJ would be something to behold.

    kyear2 probably the stiffest to miss out; Hobbs, Punter and his pace attack is pretty dreamy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    May I ask which selections/batting positions trigger it? Good to see Miller at 7, not 6 though
    Sure, basically when I look at the team the overall blend of colours is completely filthy. McGrath, Taylor, Mohammad, Chappell and Holding are all dominated by a vomit yellow type colour, and you put that together with the lighter blues of Kanhai and Knott and it is just disgusting

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    Ponting as captain should auto-lose IMO -- even though it's an excellent team otherwise.
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