Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
More like all year. Looking like being an incredibly wet summer.
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Whatever happened to Copeland?
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uvelocity
International Coach
are you trying to be a dick?
s****** s****** s******
yeah guess what he did bowl against nsw
e: lol at filter, substitute s****** with guffaw
Jager
International Debutant
I was there at that match, Copeland bowled a tremendous spell, he was passing the edge just about every second delivery. He made Cam White in particular look even more clueless than he usually does, and although I don't believe in luck, he sure was hard-done by only getting two wickets that spell.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Spikey said that tbf to Copeland that Siddle, Pattinson and Hilf all got to bowl against weaker opposition.
I agreed, tongue in cheek, saying had NSW to bowl against, because NSW's batsmen were very ordinary this year. Then you bring up a game where Siddle had slightly better figures than Copeland, depending on how you look at it actually supports what I was saying.
Maybe I'm just daft.
BackFootPunch
International 12th Man
Probably should be asking this in the Aussie domestic thread, but this guy Chris Tremain who made his debut for NSW in that match - could he have played for a Mitchell cricket team that toured here at the start of 2009? Seem to remember a big quick bowler they had who was fairly handy, think it was Tremain.
uvelocity
International Coach
Copeland is such a dire bowler, and NSW was such a dire batting line up.Spikey said that tbf to Copeland that Siddle, Pattinson and Hilf all got to bowl against weaker opposition.
I agreed, tongue in cheek, saying had NSW to bowl against, because NSW's batsmen were very ordinary this year. Then you bring up a game where Siddle had slightly better figures than Copeland, depending on how you look at it actually supports what I was saying.
Maybe I'm just daft.
Should P-Siddy not have smoked Copeland in that match?
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Haha, what a bunch of semantics.
On the form of that season, yes, you probably would have. On the basis of their careers at FC level, probably not. Irrespective of citing one game as evidence for anything. There were plenty of games where MacGill bowled better than Warne when playing together, it didn't make him a better bowler (cue Benchmark00).
My point regarding Copeland is this: the best teams have had a bowling set-up where the best bowlers can be taken anywhere and expected to perform. The Windies had that in the 1980s, the Australians in the 2000s and slightly earlier. Even if you look at us in India, the series we won in 2004 we played three quicks in every game (from memory); we didn't chop and change and try to play horses for courses.
Does anyone think that Copeland could be part of that sort of attack? The selectors obviously didn't, and thus far they've been proven right. We jump all over them for what we perceive as poor selections, and I think they deserve some credit for, at this stage, getting one right.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
I'm not going to be pointing the blame at our bowlers for the draw in South Africa.
Ruckus
International Captain
They really didn't though, because the bowling in SA was largely ****e (way less tight than it was in SL) and saved from complete embarrassment by Cummins and Watson. Luckily for the selectors, Siddle decided to really start improving back home in the next series and Johnson was forced out due to injury (who knows if they would have had the cojones to drop him otherwise).
Credit it has to go to them for the recall of Hilf, although tbf, at the time the other options were very limited anyway. And full credit for Pattinson who is a genuinely good find. Not really sure about the Cummins selection. Looks great in retrospect, and it was useful to see a bit of his potential, but given how mediocre the rest of the attack was during that series you really feel like they got away with one there. Could have backfired badly. I doubt they were expecting him to single-handedly win the match for us.
Ruckus
International Captain
Most of the good stuff that's happened, especially with bowling, can't really be put down to selection imo. It's somewhat ironic as well, that despite the massive criticism over the previous selectors, we've ended up with basically the same attack Hildick and co. would have chosen anyway (E.g. Hilf, Siddle, Harris etc.). I'm not saying that's the wrong attack or anything, but the improvement is no doubt mainly down to people like McDermott. I feel the selectors haven't really had to make the tough decisions yet. Think they might have to in due course though, cause I'm still not that confident that both Siddle and Hilf will hold their own in the longer term. Probably will have to make some tough decision in regards to the batting as well.
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Valer
First Class Debutant
Surely they can't not notice that pitching it up brings success tho. The aus attack will be v intresting for the next 6-12 months.
Ruckus
International Captain
Yeah no doubt they realise the value of it now (here's hoping that without McDermott they will continue to focus on it). But before this period, I doubt someone like Siddle really did; his bowling mentality has always been centred around aggression, bowling quick and 'running in hard' as they say. Until recently as well he never really got much movement with the ball (especially not swing), and that's the real benefit of pitching the ball up.