View Poll Results: Who is the better bowler?

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  • Dale Steyn

    28 48.28%
  • Allan Donald

    26 44.83%
  • Shaun Pollock

    4 6.90%
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    Yup, but it's only an issue because we have speedos.

    Not like the greats of the past didn't spend time bowling within themselves, just that we didn't necessarily know about it.

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    Sometimes Marshall was even more deadly when he cut down on pace as he could make the ball talk.

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    Steyn bowls within himself with the new ball because at that speed he has complete and utter control of the extreme late outswinger he bowls. Why compromise that control for a quicker speed when his stock delivery is completely unplayable and destroys batting lineups. He can crank it up when he wants and generally does with the old ball.

    I have never seen anyone else with as much precision and control over the outswinger than Steyn and McGrath, but Steyn swings it more and so late as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    Yeah, why can't Steyn deliver in ODIs?
    I guess you have to ask Malcolm Marshall the same thing. He averaged 27.


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    Quote Originally Posted by popepouri View Post
    I guess you have to ask Malcolm Marshall the same thing. He averaged 27.
    Yes indeed. I also subscribe to the view that a cricketer should be judged by their test performances. Yet at times I have to ask the question if there should be additional credit for good ODI record. Two formats require different skills and those who demonstrate both set of skills are perhaps more versatile sportsmen. That's the thing about the great fast bowlers of 90's and early naughties. They aced both formats.

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    Its funny, reading some recent posts in this thread, when a short while ago there was a thread asking if he was the worst best fast bowler in test history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    Yes indeed. I also subscribe to the view that a cricketer should be judged by their test performances. Yet at times I have to ask the question if there should be additional credit for good ODI record. Two formats require different skills and those who demonstrate both set of skills are perhaps more versatile sportsmen. That's the thing about the great fast bowlers of 90's and early naughties. They aced both formats.
    My theory is that white ball doesn't swing as much so bowlers who rely on movement instead of bounce will struggle. That is unless they have an incredible slower ball and/or yorker. Steyn doesn't those tools in his pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Sometimes Marshall was even more deadly when he cut down on pace as he could make the ball talk.
    ball was often heard to say "you poms are useless bastards!" and then laugh maniacally
    "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts.. . For support rather than illumination. " - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post


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    Brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popepouri View Post
    I guess you have to ask Malcolm Marshall the same thing. He averaged 27.
    Both he and Steyn were/are reasonably short for fast bowlers. I've always viewed skidier bowlers to be easier to hit in ODI's. On the other hand, tall guys like Garner and Morkel are much harder to hit.

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    Waqar isn't that tall either and was a skiddish bowler but still has great stats.

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    Waqar didn't have so much of his gameplan rely on a slip cordon like those two did.
    I'm always suspicious of shops that sell bait.

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    Ecellent point. Lillee also depended pretty heavily on his cordon, what are his odi stats like?
    1st XI
    Hutton | Hobbs | Bradman* | Richards^ | Tendulkar | Sobers5^ | Gilchrist+ | Khan3 | Marshall1 | Warne4^ | McGrath2
    2nd XI
    Sutcliffe | Gavaskar* | Headley | Chappell^ | Lara^ | Kallis5^ | Knott+ | Hadlee3 | Ambrose2 | Lillee1 | Muralitharan4
    3rd XI
    Greenidge | Richards^ | Ponting^ | Pollock | Hammond^ | Worrell5* | Waite+ | Akram3 | Steyn1 | Holding2 | O'Reilly4
    4th XI
    Morris | Simpson^ | Sangakkara | Weekes^ | Border*^ | Walcott+ | Faulkner5 | Laker4 | Trueman1 | Garner3 | Donald2

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    I'm just hypothesising, not saying it's true for everyone.

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    I was just expanding the possible scope of an interesting hypothesis.

    Found it insightful.

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