"Your averages, captain, coaches and players can probably survive incompetence over a relatively short series, so if youíre going to be rubbish, make sure itís against Pakistan, Sri Lanka, New Zealand or someone."
In SA, sachin averaged near 40 before the previous tour. If that is a sh*t record, then so was Ponting's Ashes in 2005.
Besides knocks like joburg 111, capetown 169 and blofmontein 155 and mumbai 97 - all absolutely brilliant knocks vs SA proved his ability vs SA attack everywhere beyond doubt. ( though he wasn't that consistent )
Ponting hasn't had a knock of real impact vs India in India. Gilchrist averages ~30 in India, but he's hit an absolutely brilliant ton in his first innings in India - 122 when Aus were down 99/5 on a turner.
I'll say this - part of the reason Ponting isn't rated that highly by Indian fans is not just that he failed in India, but the way in which he failed. He looked absolutely clueless in the 2001 series - I haven't seen a quality batsman look that clueless against either pace/spin as Ponting did in that series. ( of course he had failed in the previous tests in Indis as well ). That series was an excellent one, arguably the best of the decade and it remains/has remained etched in the memories of people
Another reason is he was somewhat lucky to hit his peak when the quality of bowling was going down and pitches were getting flatter ( Of course he didn't have to face warne/mcgrath/gillespie ) . Not that he can't score in tougher conditions/against quality bowling - just that he is/was a less effective when he did come against quality attack/tougher conditions than say Sachin/Lara
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I did not make up stuff, I posted what was written on newspaper website and I have posted enough on Tendulkar too when he has done wrong in my opinion (For exampleI am not sure he would have or should have merely because it was such a small thing. Generally, it would be more out of character for Tendulkar to lose his cool and in that sense it would be more notable. That's not really my point though. It's one thing to criticise Ponting when he is genuinely in the wrong...it is another thing to make a mountain out of a molehill and further alienate him from other fans or further inflame fans that don't like him in the first place. If Tendulkar said he threw his box and it hit the screen by accident it would believed far more. I recall yourself in the thread actually making up stuff (or using made up evidence) about Ponting smashing the TV screen.
when he claimed for tax benefit on his Ferrari). It does not matter if Ponting was genuinely wrong or not, what matters is his actions violated the "ICC CODE OF CONDUCT".
Now are you saying that the media should not have reported it ?
But you are disregarding his poor record in India too. Are you not ?That's because I disregard a poor record against a minnow when the sample is 1 inning off principle. Nothing new there.
You can call UAE/SL performance part of his record in Pakistan but I will not accept it because they are not.When I referred to Pakistan, I always refer to his neutral Tests too. Go back, read, and you'll see. No one was using a sample of 1 match to say he was a sure-fire champion.
So what is his record in the subcontinent, including India ?It doesn't really matter. It's only one country. When you refer to the subcontinent you are referring to a series of countries of which are situated there. India is only one country in the subcontinent. Saying Ponting does poorly in the subcontinent is disingenuous. Because the only place in the subcontinent he has any trouble is India. Whether that is 2 matches or 50 is besides the point. This is especially ironic considering how many fans from teams in the subcontinent detest the stigma and generalisation of pitches on the subcontinent - especially SL fans whose pitches are far more competitive than Pakistan or India.
Ponting rarely faced Wasim Waqar, together, when he did, he scored ducks in two innings in batted, so your assumptions are not convincing enough. Hopefully that counts as a valid argument.You're thinking of the wrong match. In the match I am talking about Ponting himself nearly got the Pakistani total in both innings. Getting bowled out for less than 60 in both innings is a stretch for being incompetent. Not even Bangladesh are that incompetant. Not even the Aussies in that match scored highly bar Hayden - who batted for 7 hours just for 119 in some of the hottest conditions on the planet. That Ponting's 44 was the second highest score of the match is relevant here.
Anyway, you claimed those conditions weren't tough. They clearly were, and if anything were much more similar to Pakistan's conditions than Australia's.
Not really, Ponting never had trouble against Pakistan home or away or neutral. B/Z were never going to cause Ponting a problem in the long run. Start making some decent points because this is just tedious - usual for you though.
Tendulkar until this last year or so was averaging in the 20s against SA at home and 30s in SA against SA - which was actually worse than Ponting's record is now in/against India. So for most of his 20+ year career he had a **** record there. Again, no S.African considered him a poor batsman because of it. Again, another rubbish excuse for bias.
So you want to include Tendulkar performance only till he was averaging in high twenties but want to exclude Ponting's record until he was averating in low 10s..and are accusing me of bias ? And so what cricinfo is biased, are you saying that you are not ? You are the most biased fan on this forum and beyond. You seem to have a different rule for yourself and different for others.
And If you are really interested, let's take a poll on this forum about who is more biased about his country's players, you or me. Let's see what the forum members think.
Warne is a drug cheat, match fixer simple. Never going to gain as much respect as Murali.Or another example: Murali, who was crap in India as well. Yet is constantly touted by many Indian fans and, as aforesaid, was even voted for in the all-time team on a site majorly frequented by Indians.
If Ponting does not get that credit it is simply because he is not as good as Lara, Tendulkar as a batsman and his on/off field behaviour does not make him a candidate for great marketting either. There is no conspiracy theory as you have suggested.Let's cut the crap. This isn't, or rather shouldn't, be a controversial point. Some players do not get the credit they deserve and some get a bit more than they do deserve. Tendulkar is the hero of Indians, who make up the large majority of cricket fans in the world, and he gets lots of headlines because his news sells.
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