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    Test Players With No Cricinfo Bio

    After clicking on a link in the Aus vs Pak thread for a scorecard

    1st Test: Australia v Pakistan at Melbourne, Jan 12-16, 1990 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

    I noticed that Mansoor Akhtar had no bio on his cricinfo page. The guy has over 10000 FC runs, played 19 Tests and has a Test ton. I found this unusual. How unusual is it? Are there a lot of Test cricketers (especially modern players) without a write-up? From my experience the vast majority have some form of bio.

    Who is the most experienced/prolific Test player without a bio?
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    A little OT, but I always find it amusing that some players that haven't played a single Test (link) have almost double the profile of some of the greatest players of all-time (link).
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    Allow me:

    "Palmerston North native David "Daffy" O'Sullivan was the perfect example of fitness being a secondary concern for test cricketers up until the early 1980s. The trundling slow left-arm orthodox bowler tweaked his way to 523 first-class wickets during his 14-year career primarily for his New Zealand side Central Districts, but also courtesy of stints at English counties Durham and Hampshire.

    O'Sullivan, born in 1944, was known, not only for his ability to exploit dry conditions, but also his pace - or lack thereof - in the field. During the first test of New Zealand's tour of Australia in 1973/4, at the MCG, O'Sullivan chased a ball to the boundary. By the time the ball was relayed back to the stumps by two other bowlers, O'Sullivan was mortified to learn the batsmen had, in fact, completed five runs.

    O'Sullivan, who enjoyed a career in the insurance industry post-retirement, was an excellent toiler at first-class level with his 500-plus wickets coming at 25.91 but his 18 wickets at 67.83 in tests perhaps did not reflect his overall ability."

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    Volty, I nominate you to write one about someone you've never seen and submit it to cricinfo and see if they use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Volty, I nominate you to write one about someone you've never seen and submit it to cricinfo and see if they use it.
    I support this.
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    Only a bunch of convicts having been beaten 3-0 and gone 9 tests without a win and won just 1 in 11 against England could go into the home series saying they will win. England will win in Australia again this winter as they are a better side which they have shown this summer. 3-0 doesn't lie girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanga1337 View Post
    Charlie Griffith
    Yikes. Probably the only one player I've heard of that would be on this list. 28 Tests and a Wisden Cricketer of the Year, but no bio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Volty, I nominate you to write one about someone you've never seen and submit it to cricinfo and see if they use it.
    "Camberwell Magpies left-arm spinner Jack McNamara is a ****."

    Something like that, ya reckon?

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    Of West Indians to feature from 1962 onwards, apart from Griffith there's also Everton Mattis and Ian Allen, who were both very much nonenities.

    From memory I don't think any Australians from 1979/80 onwards are lacking but I might be wrong. I can't think of any England players from the 1970s onwards who don't have a profile.

    On the subject in general, modern players (in these terms, those who have featured, not neccessarily started, in ~ the last 6-7 years) tend to have very full bios and most, though not all, players from before then don't.

    Cricinfo bios in general are very inchoate and non-conformist - some are specialist-written; some are Wisden obituaries; some are pieces for various mags; some are outdated, old-style versions that've clearly not been updated for many years. They are also filled with factual inaccuracies (Vanburn Holder is described as "initially a change bowler to Wes Hall and Charlie Griffith" when he never played for West Indies alongside them) and things which though not actually untrue give a false picture (Eldine Baptiste is described as having "played 10 Tests over 7 years" when in fact he played 9 in the space of a year including 8 in a row then featured once 6 years later). CricketWeb, as you will see at some point not so very far down the line, can do far better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Of West Indians to feature from 1962 onwards, apart from Griffith there's also Everton Mattis and Ian Allen, who were both very much nonenities.

    From memory I don't think any Australians from 1979/80 onwards are lacking but I might be wrong. I can't think of any England players from the 1970s onwards who don't have a profile.

    On the subject in general, modern players (in these terms, those who have featured, not neccessarily started, in ~ the last 6-7 years) tend to have very full bios and most, though not all, players from before then don't.

    Cricinfo bios in general are very inchoate and non-conformist - some are specialist-written; some are Wisden obituaries; some are pieces for various mags; some are outdated, old-style versions that've clearly not been updated for many years. They are also filled with factual inaccuracies (Vanburn Holder is described as "initially a change bowler to Wes Hall and Charlie Griffith" when he never played for West Indies alongside them) and things which though not actually untrue give a false picture (Eldine Baptiste is described as having "played 10 Tests over 7 years" when in fact he played 9 in the space of a year including 8 in a row then featured once 6 years later). CricketWeb, as you will see at some point not so very far down the line, can do far better.
    So are you plotting and scheming to make this site the next cricinfo are you? Nice of you to let that slip of the tongue occur. So along with statsspider we get profiles? Will this be just for international cricketers or international and domestic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
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    Out of interest, why?

    Seems a hell of a lot of work for not much payoff.

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    No idea mate - I just make the tea

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Yikes. Probably the only one player I've heard of that would be on this list. 28 Tests and a Wisden Cricketer of the Year, but no bio.
    If we petition cricinfo they will post a profile. When I found out, a couple of years ago, that Jason Lewry didn't have a profile, I emailed them and within a week or so they had posted a profile for him.

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