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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny View Post
    Need to separate the LHBs from the RHBs.
    LHBs enjoy such a big advantage that usually if they are patient ala Katich, Prince, Smith, Strauss, Gambhir or even Hughes, they will end up being successful.

    Now which are the RHB openers who dont meet the "necessary" skills, but are successful?
    Sehwag, Dilshan, Watson, and ? I cant think of any more. Sehwag is a separate case altogether. Dilshan and Watson are just starting out. Watson has already had trouble opening in ODIs. I'm positive that they wont last long as openers.
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    IMO, it's better to pick the better batsman as long as you think he has a sound technique and temperament than to pick a lesser player who is a specialist opener. I think it's refreshing to see these 'non-specialists' performing at the top of the order because I'd rather watch the best players playing tests and ODIs, than have them not in the team because their spot in the order isn't available.

    I think most of the former players complaining about some of these guys opening seem to be openers themselves who like to remind everyone how hard opening is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
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    Haha nah, I was laughing with you. It's just funny when someone makes a point about something which is immediately and unanswerably disproven in a few words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Haha nah, I was laughing with you. It's just funny when someone makes a point about something which is immediately and unanswerably disproven in a few words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy View Post
    By Richard's logic/theory, Ashwell Prince is a 'natural' opener. He opened as a schoolboy and for RSA U19's alongside Mark Boucher.
    If you take it to the nth degree then yeah.
    But I think Richard's point is that if you come through the development system as a middle order player and then get asked to open at FC or test level, you're entitled to be considered a manufactured opener.

    As for Prince, if he opened all through his junior career but batted middle order later because spots werent there, well maybe he is a "natural" opener (to the extent there is such a thing).

    Good thread this btw. Hard to disagree with Social's reasoning in the OP really.
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    But if you're good enough to be an opening batsman, then you shouldn't be denied the opportunity to be one. If a bowler has the ability to bat, no one's going to deny him that opportunity to be an allrounder because it's a "specialist" job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk View Post
    But if you're good enough to be an opening batsman, then you shouldn't be denied the opportunity to be one. If a bowler has the ability to bat, no one's going to deny him that opportunity to be an allrounder because it's a "specialist" job.
    True. Though there's only 2 opening spots at any given time. Had things been different, I feel pretty confident Hayden wouldn't have knocked back batting in the middle order on the 93 Ashes tour, just as Langer didn't knock back opening in 2001 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Vaughan's actually the opposite. Was an opener all age-group career then got to Test level and we found he was much better in the middle-order.

    Langer would be a better example.
    Yea Langer would be a better choice.

    Didn't realise MP opened when he was younger though always thought he a middle-order bat all the way up. I dont mind taking your word for it, but by chance you have any proof of this?

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    Mark Richardson probably one of the ultimate manufactured openers. From spinner to top order anchor, what a guy. Wish he still played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Yea Langer would be a better choice.

    Didn't realise MP opened when he was younger though always thought he a middle-order bat all the way up. I dont mind taking your word for it, but by chance you have any proof of this?
    It's true, read Vaughan's book last week and he mentions how he opened in all his early matches

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    If you've got the technique to be successful at FC cricket, generally, you've got the technique to succeed no matter where you bat and for whom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mxyzptlk View Post
    If he's equipped to open the batting and he's asked to open, he's an opening batsman. If he's not good at it, he's merely a bad opening batsman. A lot of "natural" openers are bad at what they do.
    So? A natural opener in my book is one who's grown into the role. Natural\manufactured and good\bad are not the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TT Boy View Post
    By Richard's logic/theory, Ashwell Prince is a 'natural' opener. He opened as a schoolboy and for RSA U19's alongside Mark Boucher.
    I'm well aware of the antics of Prince and Boucher (and Ant Botha) as under-19 international openers but it's news to me that Prince was ever much of an opener apart from there. Wonder when he was manufactured into a middle-order batsman.

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